<div dir="auto"><div><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Sep 16, 2026, 7:45 AM Ben Zaiboc via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><div><div dir="auto">Actually, I came up with this:<br><span>Good:</span><div><span>medicine (loads of developments in)</span></div><div><span>sewers</span></div><div><span>running water</span></div><div><span>anaesthesia</span></div><div><span>modern agriculture</span></div><div><span>transport</span></div><div><span>the internet</span></div><div><span>mobile phones</span></div><div><span>robots</span></div><div><span>electronic music synthesisers</span></div><div><span>Nuclear power</span></div><div><br></div><div><span>Which took me about 30 seconds</span></div><div><br></div><div><span>Bad:</span></div><div><span>Atomic weapons</span></div><div><span>communism</span></div><div><span>islam</span></div><div><span>wealth inequality</span></div><div><span>Google (and other internet giants, all-pervasive data collection driving advertising, etc.)</span></div><div><span>Out-of-control copyright restrictions</span></div><div><span>assymetric, pervasive surveillance</span></div><div><span>20 mph traffic speed restrictions (in britain)</span></div><div><span>Software licences</span></div><div><span>The normalisation of passive consumerism</span></div><div><br></div><div><span>That list took bout 2 minutes</span></div><div><br></div><span>I must be in the spike camp!</span></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Nice. I'll concede it wasn't a rigorous premise on my part. I have a session with gemini about the linguistic gap around the antonym of 'trauma' - and that first list supports the idea we labelled "texebryce" (for the systemic buildup of structural health, like the head of foam from nucleation bubbles in beer or soda) the second list an example of either erosion or engineered weakening of structural health. I'll discuss with LLM the curious dimensional shift that the opposite of trauma has an opposite that isn't trauma exactly - or perhaps we freely changed axis for measuring/defining 'opposite'. Yes, this meta-analysis of language is interesting to me (perhaps few others) but LLM are well-suited to indulge the investigation after 'reading' trillions of words and mapping them in vector space. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><div dir="auto"></div><div dir="auto"><span>Fair enough. I'm one of the first to object to phrases like 'saving the planet', so I should have known better than to say that.</span><div><br></div><span>I mean the 'human world'. Basically I'm thinking of how we manage ourselves. Although we do increasingly try to control the non-human parts of the world, often not very successfully. Hopefully AI can do a better job of that as well.<br></span></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I see localized management of human world. In some cases it's autonomous collective cooperation. In many, it's head of household dynamic scaled to leadership of a tribe - and the pressure already warps the decision making skill of that leader. Continuing to national scale twists "dad" into the monsters you originally proposed are the default for "world" leaders. The mechanisms they use for "control" are increasingly from that second list. Likely that's why we are afraid of AI - they will be more efficient at the tactics we already employ. </div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><div dir="auto"><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto">On that point, I wonder if EP lens might apply to our relationship with AI as xenophobic other competing for resources? hmm.</div><div dir="auto"></div></div></blockquote><div dir="auto"><span>Yes, very probably.<br><br>Keith is our local EP expert, but from my llimited knowledge of it, I'd expect that the more AI can demonstrate that it can improve people's lives, the more popular it will become. Unfortunately, so far the trend seems to be in the opposite direction. AIs (or LLMs, to be accurate) are actively making our lives worse, at least for those of us with internet access.</span></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I'm curious. Can you please expound on "[LLM] are actively making our lives worse"? </div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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