<div dir="ltr"><div><div style="font-size:small" class="gmail_default">"Hurricanes are heat engines of a sort. They run on heat at the ocean surface, spinning up and delivering the heat to the cool upper atmosphere. When there is a strong El Nino, the upper atmosphere is warmer, so the temperature differential is lower, so the hurricanes, even if they don't get sheared apart, have less fuel and as a result they aren't as violent and energetic."</div><div style="font-size:small" class="gmail_default"><br></div><div style="font-size:small" class="gmail_default">Spike, look at the numbeds. This is as silly as trying to disrupt a hurricane with a bomb. <br></div><div style="font-size:small" class="gmail_default"><br>"OK then. What if... we build power plants out on the continental shelf east of Florida? The water isn't all that deep out there, so the towers could be built in the sea bottom, which isn't that far down there, rather than floating. Or it could be floating, either way."</div><div style="font-size:small" class="gmail_default"><br></div><div style="font-size:small" class="gmail_default">Again, silly. The cost to build anything offshore is crazy. <br></div><div style="font-size:small" class="gmail_default"><br></div><div style="font-size:small" class="gmail_default">Keith<br></div><br clear="all"></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature">Best wishes,<br><br>Keith<br></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Sep 18, 2026 at 10:19 AM spike jones via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br>
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>>... These three examples don't say how the data centers deal with <br>
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>...What, you've never heard of ocean thermal electric conversion? Use the ocean as a thermal battery.<br>
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Yes I have, but that technology is irrelevant to the power storage needs of a data center. The sea is highly relevant as a potential heat sink however.<br>
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Regarding that notion, I had an idea. We are experiencing an anomalously quiet Atlantic hurricane season. This historic average has us up at 74 ACE units by now. This year we have... 4.4 units. <br>
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<a href="https://tropical.atmos.colostate.edu/Realtime/index.php?loc=northatlantic" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://tropical.atmos.colostate.edu/Realtime/index.php?loc=northatlantic</a><br>
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I feel cheated. Well, not really, I am pleased, for I still own Florida real estate, and I have people I care about living there now. Hurricanes are a bad thing in Florida: its elevation along the coast is too low.<br>
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Hurricanes are heat engines of a sort. They run on heat at the ocean surface, spinning up and delivering the heat to the cool upper atmosphere. When there is a strong El Nino, the upper atmosphere is warmer, so the temperature differential is lower, so the hurricanes, even if they don't get sheared apart, have less fuel and as a result they aren't as violent and energetic.<br>
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OK then. What if... we build power plants out on the continental shelf east of Florida? The water isn't all that deep out there, so the towers could be built in the sea bottom, which isn't that far down there, rather than floating. Or it could be floating, either way. <br>
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Check out this cool image, Google in satellite view:<br>
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<a href="https://www.google.com/maps/place/Florida/@26.883389,-83.7996933,1380415m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m6!3m5!1s0x88c1766591562abf:0xf72e13d35bc74ed0!8m2!3d27.6648274!4d-81.5157535!16zL20vMDJ4cnk?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI2MDkxNS4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.google.com/maps/place/Florida/@26.883389,-83.7996933,1380415m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m6!3m5!1s0x88c1766591562abf:0xf72e13d35bc74ed0!8m2!3d27.6648274!4d-81.5157535!16zL20vMDJ4cnk?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI2MDkxNS4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D</a><br>
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Note how far the continental shelf reaches 50 miles or more east of Jacksonville Florida.<br>
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If we had power plants out there, the water vapor could be lofted into the atmosphere, warming stuff up high. Then the hurricanes that form off the west coast of Africa would encounter both warmer water (as climate change warms the sea surface) but also a warmer upper atmosphere because of power plants belching heat up there. Then, the hurricanes would have less potential to wreck expensive stuff in the north Atlantic, ja?<br>
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