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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>…</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jason Resch via extropy-chat<br><b>Subject:</b> [ExI] Do LLMs feel pain?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://arxiv.org/pdf/2609.16247">https://arxiv.org/pdf/2609.16247</a> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>This paper identifies a reliable pain axis across various LLMs, which activates under certain conditions:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>See page 13 for examples. Treat your AIs right!<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Jason<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Jason, this article is disconcerting for reasons unrelated to its subject. It was a cool idea and all, however… there is a dead giveaway that this paper was mostly AI generated, with little human input.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Hint 1: it is on page 5.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Several of my friends over the years have flattered the hell outta me by asking me to proofread their PhD thesis. So I do. I learn a lotta good stuff, such as how to spot bugs in research papers. Amara Graps’ paper, oh that was cool. She’s alive and well btw.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>This paper I would send back for cleanup. A lotta cleanup. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Hint 2: right at the bottom of page 5.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Reasoning: every research paper is filled with yakkity yak and bla bla, but when the equals sign drops, the bullshit stops.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>If a researcher puts any equals sign in her research, she is making a strong claim: this stuff IS that stuff.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Strong claims require strong evidence. OK so that equation. Prove it. Even if you read down to there, do you know what that equation is claiming? Do you know what all those variables are for? Why don’t you know? Because the authors didn’t define them. Any variable used in any equation in any credible paper must be carefully unambiguously defined before it can go in any equation. It is analogous to a futures bet: everything must be unambiguously defined, a metric of some kind, no squishy adjectives allowed. You may not even reference down to an appendix. It hasta already be defined, ideally right there with the equation. I see no definition of the variables anywhere in that paper. Bzzzt. Mostly AI generated. Out it goes.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>I started this commentary with the comment that the paper is disconcerting. Reason: it is getting damn hard to distinguish between fake research, presumptuous research, mostly AI generated research, good research (four different things.) I was reading this paper all the way down to the bottom of page 5 before I was sure. It looked like real research up until that equation. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>The body of recent scientific literature is now probably filled with AI generated stuff, which is going into AI training research. Not only are we breathing our own fumes, AI is breathing its own fumes, which previously whoofed ours.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>spike<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></body></html>