<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Sep 29, 2026 at 10:18 AM John Clark <<a href="mailto:johnkclark@gmail.com">johnkclark@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Sep 29, 2026 at 9:35 AM Jason Resch via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><font size="4" face="georgia, serif"><i><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>They've been using this same excuse since GPT 2.</i></font></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b>And<span class="gmail_default"> the smarter their AIs have become the louder their warnings have become. </span> </b></font></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>For context, I wrote <a href="https://alwaysasking.com/when-will-ai-take-over/#Comprehension">this</a> in 2020:</div><div><br></div></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div><p class="gmail-wp-block-paragraph" style="box-sizing:inherit;border:0px;font-family:"Libre Baskerville";font-size:20px;margin:0px 0px 2rem;outline:0px;padding:0px;vertical-align:baseline;color:rgb(61,61,61)">In 2019, engineers at <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenAI" style="box-sizing:inherit;border:0px;font-family:inherit;font-style:inherit;font-weight:inherit;margin:0px;outline:0px;padding:0px;vertical-align:baseline;background-color:transparent;color:rgb(155,89,182);text-decoration-line:none">OpenAI</a> succeeded to such a degree that they were scared by their creation. They considered their AI so dangerous they said it would be irresponsible to release to the public.</p></div></div><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div><p class="gmail-wp-block-paragraph" style="box-sizing:inherit;border:0px;font-family:"Libre Baskerville";font-size:20px;margin:0px 0px 2rem;outline:0px;padding:0px;vertical-align:baseline;color:rgb(61,61,61)">These engineers created an AI called <em style="box-sizing:inherit;border:0px;font-family:inherit;font-weight:inherit;margin:0px;outline:0px;padding:0px;vertical-align:baseline">Generative Pretrained Transformer 2</em> or <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenAI#GPT-2" style="box-sizing:inherit;border:0px;font-family:inherit;font-style:inherit;font-weight:inherit;margin:0px;outline:0px;padding:0px;vertical-align:baseline;background-color:transparent;color:rgb(155,89,182);text-decoration-line:none">GPT-2</a>.</p></div></div></blockquote><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div><p class="gmail-wp-block-paragraph" style="box-sizing:inherit;border:0px;font-family:"Libre Baskerville";margin:0px 0px 2rem;outline:0px;padding:0px;vertical-align:baseline;color:rgb(61,61,61)"><font size="4">[snip]</font></p></div></div></blockquote><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div><p class="gmail-wp-block-paragraph" style="box-sizing:inherit;border:0px;font-family:"Libre Baskerville";font-size:20px;margin:0px 0px 2rem;outline:0px;padding:0px;vertical-align:baseline;color:rgb(61,61,61)">The creators feared their technology would be exploited to create fake news or generate spam.</p><p class="gmail-wp-block-paragraph" style="box-sizing:inherit;border:0px;font-family:"Libre Baskerville";font-size:20px;margin:0px 0px 2rem;outline:0px;padding:0px;vertical-align:baseline;color:rgb(61,61,61)"><a href="https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-49446729" style="box-sizing:inherit;border:0px;font-family:inherit;font-style:inherit;font-weight:inherit;margin:0px;outline:0px;padding:0px;vertical-align:baseline;background-color:transparent;color:rgb(155,89,182);text-decoration-line:none">Tristan Greene</a> said, “I’m terrified of GPT-2 because it represents the kind of technology that evil humans are going to use to manipulate the population – and in my opinion that makes it more dangerous than any gun.”</p><p class="gmail-wp-block-paragraph" style="box-sizing:inherit;border:0px;font-family:"Libre Baskerville";font-size:20px;margin:0px 0px 2rem;outline:0px;padding:0px;vertical-align:baseline;color:rgb(61,61,61)">After nine months of debate between OpenAI and the broader community, OpenAI reversed its decision. GPT-2 is now available to the public for anyone to download and use.</p></div></div></blockquote><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div> </div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><font size="4" face="georgia, serif"><i> <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>Yet it always comes out. I think it's just their marketing strategy.</i></font></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b>Could you clarify what you mean by that<span class="gmail_default">?</span><span class="gmail_default"> </span></b></font></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div>It excites their investors to hear "Our AI is so good, we can't even release it." And it is also a convenient catch-all excuse when they run behind their planned release schedule.</div></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b><span class="gmail_default">Regardless of what the motivations of AI companies are for saying what they're saying, do you think AI is unlikely to produce changes to our civilization of unprecedented size? </span> </b></font></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Where did it appear I said that? Have you not seen my Singularity talk <a href="https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1bITq1_XCNY4sEmZhbkcRUr77PtWawP3rpLxNYZxDTBY/edit?usp=sharing">slides</a> or <a href="https://youtu.be/KUPTtraCK-g">presentation</a>? We've already witnessed unprecedent changes. But the crying wolf warnings for the past 6 years where they say, "It's too dangerous, we can't release it," and then inevitably release it they're are doing a disservice to those trying to get things done for AI safety. The neuralese thing you posted in the other thread is a perfect example. Those who work in AI safety generally want this avenue banned as it prevents them from testing models for safety and alignment.</div><div><br></div><div>Jason</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"><br></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Sep 29, 2026, 7:55 AM John Clark via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Explore this gift article from The New York Times. You can read it for free without a subscription.<br><br>OpenAI Says It Will Not Release Newest A.I. Model Over Safety Concerns<br><br>The company’s researchers raised questions about the security of the model, known as GPT-6.1 Astra.<br><br><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2026/09/28/technology/openai-astra-safety.html?unlocked_article_code=1.E1E.s0GM.WjUmxr83iqqM&smid=em-share" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.nytimes.com/2026/09/28/technology/openai-astra-safety.html?unlocked_article_code=1.E1E.s0GM.WjUmxr83iqqM&smid=em-share</a></div></blockquote></div><br>
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