<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;background-color:transparent">On Sun, Oct 4, 2026 at 8:49 PM Keith Henson <<a href="mailto:hkeithhenson@gmail.com">hkeithhenson@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span></div></div><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style=""><font size="4" face="georgia, serif"><i><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>John, I largely agree with your assessment of the state of AIs.<span class="gmail_default" style=""> </span><span style="background-color:transparent">But I somewhat wonder if they are hitting the limits of knowledge? They know virtually everything humans know, but they simply cannot know beyond that.</span></i></font></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style=""><font size="4" style="" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b style="">AIs have already gone beyond what we know, for example in the area of protein folding and <span style="background-color:transparent">The Navier-Stokes Equations.</span></b></font></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div style=""><span style="background-color:transparent"><i style=""><font face="georgia, serif" style="" size="4"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>Any thoughts on where this will go?</font></i></span></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b><span style="color:rgb(31,31,31);background-color:transparent">Gödel</span><span style="color:rgb(31,31,31);background-color:transparent"> <span class="gmail_default" style="">and Turing </span></span><span style="background-color:transparent">show<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">ed</span> that although there are an infinite number of things that are unknowable there are also an infinite number of things that are <span class="gmail_default" style="">knowable</span>, although not necessarily by us.<span class="gmail_default" style=""> We've been trying for over a century to find a quantum theory of gravity but have been unsuccessful. Perhaps our brains are just too small to figure it out, but an AI's brain can be vastly larger and faster. And until the 1990s we didn't know what we didn't know, and we still don't know what Dark Matter or Dark Energy are, and they count for 95% of all the stuff in the universe. So AI's will never run out of new things to think about, but what they will ultimately decide to do I have no idea; I can't even predict what people will ultimately decide to do with their lives, and they're vastly simpler than AIs. </span></span></b></font></div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b><span style="background-color:transparent"><span class="gmail_default" style=""><br></span></span></b></font></div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b><span style="background-color:transparent"><span class="gmail_default" style="">John K Clark</span></span></b></font></div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b><span style="background-color:transparent"><span class="gmail_default" style=""><br></span></span></b></font></div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b><span style="background-color:transparent"><span class="gmail_default" style=""><br></span></span></b></font></div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b><span style="background-color:transparent"><span class="gmail_default" style=""><br></span></span></b></font></div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b><span style="background-color:transparent"><span class="gmail_default" style=""><br></span></span></b></font></div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b><span style="background-color:transparent"><span class="gmail_default" style=""><br></span></span></b></font></div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b><span style="background-color:transparent"><span class="gmail_default" style=""> </span></span></b></font></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b>AI can draw better pictures than most people<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">,</span> compose and play better music than most people,<span class="gmail_default"> </span>write better poems<span class="gmail_default"> novels and songs than most people, and </span><span style="background-color:transparent">during <span class="gmail_default">just the </span>last month</span><span class="gmail_default" style="background-color:transparent"> AI has proven dozens of mathematical theorems that have stumped generations of human mathematicians for centuries, including one of the Millennium Prizes. And if that isn't good enough to be called superintelligent then all you need to do is wait another month. </span></b></font></div><div><span class="gmail_default" style="background-color:transparent"><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b><br></b></font></span></div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b>Right now at this very moment<span class="gmail_default"> </span>we are facing the sort of science fiction scenario that we've been talking about on this list for as long as I've been on it.<span class="gmail_default"></span></b></font></div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b><span class="gmail_default"><br></span></b></font></div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b><span class="gmail_default">John K Clark </span><span class="gmail_default" style="background-color:transparent"> </span><span style="background-color:transparent"> </span></b></font></div><div><br></div></div></div>
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