<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;background-color:transparent">On Sun, Oct 4, 2026 at 4:47 PM <<a href="mailto:spike@rainier66.com">spike@rainier66.com</a>> wrote:</span></div></div><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="msg-3584365980246854798"><div lang="EN-US" style="overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div class="m_-3584365980246854798WordSection1"><blockquote style="border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span class="m_-3584365980246854798gmaildefault"><i><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">>></span> </span></i></span><span class="m_-3584365980246854798m-6511200067542529090gmaildefault"><i><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Georgia,serif">The USA didn’t start a war with Iran. Iran started a war with the USA. John you are old enough to remember the 1979 revolution. </span></i></span></blockquote></blockquote><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">></span>>…Oh for <span class="m_-3584365980246854798gmaildefault">Darwin's</span> sake<span class="m_-3584365980246854798gmaildefault">! That was 47 years ago and the average Iranian is 35 years old….<u></u><u></u></span></span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="m_-3584365980246854798gmaildefault"><b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></b></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="m_-3584365980246854798gmaildefault"><span style="font-size:13.5pt"><i style=""><font face="georgia, serif"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>We aren’t punishing the Iranians John. We are trying to save them. </font></i></span></span></p></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b>I have to say Spike that although you're claiming to be Mr. Neutral you really don't sound like him, you sound like the military PR guy during the Vietnam war who said "<i>It became necessary to destroy the town to save it</i>" after the US had bombed a provincial capital to oblivion and killed hundreds or thousands of civilians. </b></font><div> <b style="background-color:transparent"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"> </span></b></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="msg-3584365980246854798"><div lang="EN-US" style="overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div class="m_-3584365980246854798WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="m_-3584365980246854798gmaildefault"><span style="font-size:13.5pt"><i style=""><font face="georgia, serif"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>They will overthrow their tyrannical theocratic government, save themselves</font></i></span></span></p></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b>Just before Donald started the war<span class="gmail_default" style=""> </span>the Iranian government was more unpopular with the Iranian people than it had been in decades, the<span class="gmail_default" style="">re</span> were actually riots in the streets<span class="gmail_default" style="">;</span><span class="gmail_default" style=""> but history has shown that the quickest way for a dictator to massively improve his popularity is for his country to get invaded by another country, especially if that other country is a member of a different religious franchise. I'm sure Donald didn't mean to do it, but he threw the </span><span style="background-color:transparent">ayatollahs<span class="gmail_default" style=""> a lifeline. </span></span></b></font></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"><i><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>We can survive without buying that oil. But Iran cannot survive without selling it. </i></span></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b>And yet Donald<span class="gmail_default" style=""> seems much more anxious about finding a way to get out of a war that he started than the Iranians are, he keeps saying he's in negotiation with the Iranians and they are desperate to find a solution, but the Iranians are saying they are not even talking to us and don't give a damn about what we have to say.</span></b></font></div><div><b style="background-color:transparent;font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><span class="gmail_default" style=""><font size="4">And when the war started Donald insisted he would demand nothing less than <u style="">unconditional surrender and regime change</u>, so what more is there to say to them? </font></span></b></div><div><b style="background-color:transparent;font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><span class="gmail_default" style=""><font size="4"><br></font></span></b></div><div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span class="m_-3584365980246854798gmaildefault"><b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">></span>… if Joe Biden had started a war with Iran and it had flopped as spectacularly as this one… John K Clark</span></b></span></blockquote><span class="m_-3584365980246854798gmaildefault"><b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"> <br></span></b></span><span class="m_-3584365980246854798gmaildefault"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"><i><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>It didn’t flop.</i></span></span></blockquote><div><br></div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b>No Mr. Neutral, it flopped. Just 24 hours after the war started Donald claimed that the US had already won, but it is now 7 months later and the war grinds on with no end in sight. </b></font></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="msg-3584365980246854798"><div lang="EN-US" style="overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div class="m_-3584365980246854798WordSection1"><blockquote style="border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="m_-3584365980246854798gmaildefault"><i><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">>></span> </span></i></span><span class="m_-3584365980246854798m-6511200067542529090gmaildefault"><i><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Georgia,serif">It was clear enough they were refining uranium in order to nuke Israel. </span></i></span><u></u><u></u></p></div></blockquote><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">></span>…And why was that?<span class="m_-3584365980246854798gmaildefault"> Because during his first administration Donald unilaterally pulled out of the Iran nuclear deal….<u></u><u></u></span></span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="m_-3584365980246854798gmaildefault"><b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></b></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="m_-3584365980246854798gmaildefault"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"><i><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>Sounds to me like a deal where they secretly refine uranium.</i></span></span></p></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><p dir="auto" style="white-space-collapse: preserve;"><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b><span class="gmail_default" style=""><u>ME</u>: </span>When President Trump pulled the US out of the Iran nuclear deal in 2018 was there any hard evidence that Iran had been cheating?</b></font></p><p style="white-space-collapse: preserve;"><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-weight:bold"><u>GROK</u></span><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><b>: </b>" </span></font><font size="4"><strong style="background-color:transparent"><font face="arial black, sans-serif">No</font>. There was no hard evidence that Iran was cheating on the core nuclear restrictions of the JCPOA (Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action) at the time of the U.S. withdrawal in May 2018.</strong><span style="background-color:transparent"> The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), the independent body responsible for verifying compliance, repeatedly certified that Iran was meeting its nuclear-related obligations under the deal. U.S. intelligence assessments and statements from senior Trump administration officials at the time aligned with this.</span></font></p><div>
<h3 dir="auto"><font size="4">IAEA Verification Record</font></h3>
<p dir="auto" style="white-space-collapse: preserve;"><font size="4">>From Implementation Day (January 16, 2016) through the period leading up to and immediately after the U.S. exit, the IAEA issued multiple quarterly reports confirming Iranian compliance with key limits. These included:</font></p>
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<li><font size="4">Caps on the number of centrifuges (no more than 5,060 IR-1s at Natanz in the agreed configuration).</font></li>
<li><font size="4">Uranium enrichment limited to 3.67% U-235.</font></li>
<li><font size="4">Low-enriched uranium stockpile below the 300 kg limit (well under it in reports).</font></li>
<li><font size="4">No pursuit of the original Arak heavy-water reactor design, and related fuel and reprocessing restrictions.</font></li>
<li><font size="4">Continuous monitoring, seals, cameras, and access to declared nuclear sites.</font></li>
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<p dir="auto" style="white-space-collapse: preserve;"><font size="4">Reports around February 2018 (shortly before the withdrawal) and subsequent ones (including the first post-withdrawal report) continued to affirm this. The IAEA Director General at the time, Yukiya Amano, stated that Iran was implementing its nuclear-related commitments.</font></p>
<h3 dir="auto"><font size="4">Minor, Quickly Resolved Issues</font></h3>
<p dir="auto" style="white-space-collapse: preserve;"><font size="4">The only documented exceedances were minor and temporary ones involving the heavy-water stockpile limit of 130 metric tons:</font></p>
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<li><font size="4">Early 2016: Brief overage (around 0.9 tons), resolved by exporting excess.</font></li>
<li><font size="4">November 2016: Slight overage (~0.1 tons / 100 kg), again resolved quickly by shipping excess out (including to Oman for storage pending sale).</font></li>
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<p dir="auto" style="white-space-collapse: preserve;"><font size="4">These were detected promptly due to the deal’s monitoring regime. Iran exported the excess, returned to compliance, and the Joint Commission (the deal’s implementation body) addressed interpretive questions. Analyses from groups like the Carnegie Endowment noted these were not major noncompliance and were rapidly fixed; they did not involve enrichment levels, centrifuge numbers, or weapons-related activities.</font></p>
<p dir="auto" style="white-space-collapse: preserve;"><font size="4">No IAEA findings indicated Iran was producing highly enriched uranium, operating prohibited centrifuges at scale, or engaging in prohibited nuclear-weapons-related research under the deal’s Section T at that time.<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">"</span></font></p><p style="white-space-collapse: preserve;"><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><span class="gmail_default" style=""><b style="">John K Clark</b></span></font></p></div></div></div></div>