<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;background-color:transparent">On Wed, Oct 7, 2026 at 8:41 AM Adrian Tymes via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:</span></div></div><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><font size="4" style=""><i style="font-family:georgia,serif">
><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span></i><b style=""><font face="tahoma, sans-serif"> No. Appeals to authority are NOT always fallacies.</font></b></font></blockquote>
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<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">></span>Yes they are.</i></font><br></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font size="4"><span class="gmail_default" style=""><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"></font><b style=""><font face="tahoma, sans-serif">Then</font></b></span><b><font face="tahoma, sans-serif"> <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">with </span>no chain of trust<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> </span>how on earth are scientists supposed to reliably<span class="gmail_default" style=""> </span>communicate with each other<span class="gmail_default" style="">?</span> Do you really<span class="gmail_default" style=""> </span>think it would be better if scientists<span class="gmail_default" style=""> </span>gave the same amount of trust<span class="gmail_default" style=""> to </span></font></b></font><span style="background-color:transparent"><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b>Fox News <span class="gmail_default" style="">and</span> Newsmax<span class="gmail_default" style=""> that they give to Science and Nature? </span></b></font></span></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><i><font size="4"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>To me, the degree of justification for astonishment reads similar to<br>the degree of justification in the meme comics where someone tells an<br>AI, "Say, 'I am awake.'", the AI then says "I am awake.", and the<br>person freaks out in response.</font></i></blockquote><div><br></div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b>So according to you there <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">is </span>no reason for somebody to freak out just because<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> </span><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">he </span> told an AI to "<i>solve one of the remaining 6 millennium prize mathematical problems</i>", and the AI did so in response? In my humble opinion a response like that deserves a monumental freak out!</b></font></div><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b><br></b></font></div><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b><span class="gmail_default" style="">John K Clark</span><br> </b></font><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div> </div></div></div>