<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Oct 8, 2026 at 3:38 PM Adrian Tymes via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Oct 8, 2026, 2:41 PM Ben Zaiboc via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On 08/10/2026 12:52, Jason Resch wrote:<br>
> I don't buy it. How can one finite act, by finite beings, in a finite universe, create infinite properties?<br><br>Doesn't the invention of real numbers create this situation?<br></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Someone, somewhere, was the first to create what is now known as Arabic numbers, with base 10 representation and no limit placed on how long the number could be. The numbering system thus created had infinite possibilities, though any specific expression - a specific instance of a specific number - requires a discrete finite act to create.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Sometime, somewhere, there was absolutely nothing. It was total non-existence. You could say it was God's expression of the number 0 -- the number of things in reality.</div><div>The number "0" was thus born.</div><div>But now there was a number in existence, the 1 number representing the things present reality. The number "1" was born.</div><div>Now "0" and "1" existed as the <i>two</i> numbers alone in reality. "2" was born. Etc.</div><div><br></div><div>If a mathematician writing down "0" on a chalk board is enough to introduce infinite numbers and properties of 0, why doesn't it start with the first physical incarnation of a number? Does it have to be calcium carbonate on slate, or could a single particle represent a number? And if 1 particle could represent "1", couldn't zero particles represent "0"?</div><div><br></div><div>Jason</div></div></div>