<div dir="ltr"><div style="font-size:small" class="gmail_default">Marxism should be classed as a religion. If one is into that, chances are low that they are also into anything we would class as a religion. People seem to have meme space for only one religion at a time.<br></div><div style="font-size:small" class="gmail_default"><br></div><div style="font-size:small" class="gmail_default">Looked at that way, a lot of wars in the last couple of thousand years can be classed as religious wars up to and including the conflict in Vietnam. You can argue that religions are just an organizing excuse for deeper reasons for war. What Pope Urban is reputed to say about this is instructive, essentially EP.</div><div style="font-size:small" class="gmail_default">
<p id="m_-5792879566675354711gmail-mwATI">The chronicler Robert the Monk put this into the mouth of Urban II:</p>
<blockquote id="m_-5792879566675354711gmail-mwATM"><p id="m_-5792879566675354711gmail-mwATQ">This land which you inhabit, shut in on all sides by the seas and surrounded by the mountain peaks, is too narrow for your large population; nor does it abound in wealth, and it furnishes scarcely food enough for its cultivators. Hence, it is that you murder one another, that you wage war, and that frequently you perish by mutual wounds. Let, therefore, hatred depart from among you, let your quarrels end, let wars cease, and let all dissensions and controversies slumber. Enter upon the road to the <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_the_Holy_Sepulchre" title="Church of the Holy Sepulchre" id="m_-5792879566675354711gmail-mwATU" target="_blank">Holy Sepulchre</a>; wrest that land from the wicked race, and subject it to yourselves ... God has conferred upon you above all nations great glory in arms. Accordingly, undertake this journey for the remission of your sins, with the assurance of the imperishable glory of the <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_God" title="Kingdom of God" id="m_-5792879566675354711gmail-mwATY" target="_blank">Kingdom of Heaven</a>.</p><p>Like other human institutions, Marxism is subject to corruption, maybe more than other religions.</p><p>It does not compete well in the ecosystem of Western memes.<br></p></blockquote></div><div style="font-size:small" class="gmail_default">Best wishes,<br><br>Keith<br></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Oct 16, 2026 at 5:09 AM spike jones via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br>
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From: extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org</a>> On Behalf Of Ben Zaiboc via extropy-chat<br>
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On 16/10/2026 08:38, spike wrote:<br>
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>> What I don’t see are concentration camps, mass murder, sweeping takeover of Canada, Mexico and everything to the south. None of that happened. <br>
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>...You are omitting one word: "Yet".<br>
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I am also omitting "...and will not happen." Thanks for the reminder.<br>
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>...The average German didn't see all those things either, in the 1920s...<br>
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Agreed. In the 1920s, Germans were lugging wheelbarrows of German currency to buy bread.<br>
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>...If you're going to compare the US with Nazi Germany, you should use the appropriate time-frames...<br>
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I am contrasting US with Nazi Germany, which is why I consider the Hitler analogies unhelpful and distract from more useful Karl Marx analogies.<br>
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>...It's a poor comparison, though, at least in any detail. Too many things are different today from what they were 100 years ago...<br>
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Ja, but an excellent contrast with 100 yrs ago.<br>
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>...That doesn't mean we can't learn from the past...<br>
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First they came for the Marxists, and I spoke up because the Marxists are coming for US.<br>
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"Those who fail to learn from the mistakes of past..."<br>
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Ja. We are seeing a resurgence of Marxism right here in the home of unfettered capitalism. <br>
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We shall fight them on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets... Winston Churchill<br>
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