<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div></div><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Oct 17, 2026 at 3:27 PM Keith Henson <<a href="mailto:hkeithhenson@gmail.com">hkeithhenson@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div style="">
<div style=""><div style=""><div style=""><div style=""><div style=""><div dir="auto" style=""><font size="4"><i><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>Me. How deep is a missile sub when it launches?</i></font></div></div></div></div></div></div><div style=""><div><div><font size="4"><i><span></span></i></font></div></div></div><font size="4"><i><span></span><span></span></i></font><div style=""><div dir="auto" style=""><div style=""><div style=""><div style=""><div dir="auto" style=""><p style=""><font size="4"><i>GTP A ballistic-missile submarine typically launches its missiles from about 20–50 meters (65–165 feet) below the surface, though the exact depth depends on the submarine and missile system.</i></font></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b><u>ME</u>: How long would it take for the submarine to launch all its missiles?</b></font></div><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b><br></b></font></div><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><font face="tahoma, sans-serif" size="4"><span class="gmail_default" style=""><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" style="font-weight:bold"><u></u></font><b><u>GTP</u>: "</b></span></font><font size="4" face="arial, sans-serif"><b style=""><i style="">One historical analysis describes intervals of roughly 20 seconds between Trident launches, which would put 20 launches at about 6 minutes 20 seconds from the first to the last<span class="gmail_default" style="">, but</span> <span class="gmail_default" style="">t</span>hat is an estimate based on reported launch intervals, not a verified specification for today's operational procedures.<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">"</span></i></b></font></div><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" size="4"><b><i><br></i></b></font></div><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b style=""><i style=""><span class="gmail_default" style=""><u style=""></u></span></i></b></font><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b><u>ME</u>: Would a submarine be able to receive a radio communication when it was 150 feet underwater launching its missiles?</b></font></div><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><font size="4"><b><br></b></font></div><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><font size="4"><span class="gmail_default" style=""><u style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-weight:bold">GPT</u><b style=""><font face="tahoma, sans-serif">:</font><i style=""><font face="arial, sans-serif"> "</font></i></b></span><b style=""><i style=""><font face="arial, sans-serif">Yes, but with an important qualification: a submarine 150 feet underwater could receive certain types of radio communication, but ordinary radio signals would not penetrate seawater effectively.<span style="background-color:transparent"> </span><span style="background-color:transparent">Very-low-frequency </span><span style="background-color:transparent">radio</span><span style="background-color:transparent"> </span><span style="background-color:transparent">can </span><span style="background-color:transparent">penetrate </span><span style="background-color:transparent">seawater, </span><span style="background-color:transparent">but </span><span style="background-color:transparent">only </span><span style="background-color:transparent">to </span><span style="background-color:transparent">a </span><span style="background-color:transparent">limited </span><span style="background-color:transparent">depth </span><span style="background-color:transparent">and </span><span style="background-color:transparent">with </span><span style="background-color:transparent">low </span><span style="background-color:transparent">data </span><span style="background-color:transparent">rates. </span><span style="background-color:transparent">At </span><span style="background-color:transparent">150 </span><span style="background-color:transparent">feet, </span><span style="background-color:transparent">reception </span><span style="background-color:transparent">may </span><span style="background-color:transparent">be </span><span style="background-color:transparent">possible </span><span style="background-color:transparent">under </span><span style="background-color:transparent">suitable </span><span style="background-color:transparent">conditions, </span><span style="background-color:transparent">depending </span><span style="background-color:transparent">on </span><span style="background-color:transparent">the </span><span style="background-color:transparent">frequency, </span><span style="background-color:transparent">equipment, </span><span style="background-color:transparent">and </span><span style="background-color:transparent">ocean </span><span style="background-color:transparent">conditions.<span class="gmail_default" style=""> So a </span></span><span style="background-color:transparent">submarine could potentially receive a low-frequency message while submerged at 150 feet. However, that does not mean it could receive a detailed, high-bandwidth message instantly or reliably during the launch sequence.</span></font></i></b></font></div><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><p><font size="4" face="arial, sans-serif"><b style=""><i>A crucial distinction is that receiving a radio signal and receiving an actionable command are two different things. The signal must be decoded, authenticated, and processed by the submarine's communications and command systems.<span class="gmail_default" style=""> </span><span style="background-color:transparent">For a nuclear launch, the communications and authorization procedures are deliberately designed to prevent an unauthorized launch. The exact operational procedures are classified.<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">"</span></span></i></b></font></p><p><font size="4" face="arial, sans-serif"><b style=""><i><span style="background-color:transparent"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></span></span></i></b></font></p><p><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b style=""><span style="background-color:transparent"><span class="gmail_default" style="">John K Clark</span></span></b></font></p><p><span style="background-color:transparent"><br></span></p><p><span style="background-color:transparent"><br></span></p><p><span style="background-color:transparent"><br></span></p><p><span style="background-color:transparent"><br></span></p></div><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div style="font-size:small">
</div><br>Keith<br></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Oct 17, 2026 at 11:53 AM John Clark <<a href="mailto:johnkclark@gmail.com" target="_blank">johnkclark@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;background-color:transparent">On Sat, Oct 17, 2026 at 2:41 PM Keith Henson <<a href="mailto:hkeithhenson@gmail.com" target="_blank">hkeithhenson@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> >> </span> nobody ever gave<span class="gmail_default"> </span><span style="color:rgb(31,31,31);background-color:transparent">Rajneesh<span class="gmail_default"> the keys to a missile carrying nuclear submarine like they did for the MAGA leader.</span></span></b></font></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div><font size="4" face="georgia, serif"><i><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>I am fairly sure that orders to launch would not be obeyed unless the US was under attack</i></font><br></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>A modern nuclear missile submarine<span class="gmail_default"> stays 1000 feet underwater for months at a time, so the captain of the submarine is completely cut off from what's going on in the outside world except for a ultra low frequency ultra low bandwidth military radio receiver that can only receive about 2 words a minute, so the only way he would know that the US was under attack was if his Commander and Chief told him it was under attack. And then his orders would be clear, launch all missiles. <br></span></b></font></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><i><font size="4"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>I don't think that is the way it works. For one thing, a sub can't launch from 1000 feet down, so they have to come up to the surface anyway. At that point, the sub sticks up an antenna and gets messages from satellites with target details.<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> </span><span style="background-color:transparent">I may be wrong on this, so if you have details, please post them.</span></font></i></div></div></div></blockquote><div> </div><div><br></div><div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b></b><b><u>ME</u></b><b>:</b></font><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b> Can a modern nuclear missile submarine launch its missiles while still staying submerged?</b></font></div></div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b><span style="background-color:rgb(232,243,254);color:rgb(12,39,74)"><br></span></b></font></div><div><font size="4"><b><font face="tahoma, sans-serif"><u>GPT</u>: "Yes</font></b><i><b>.</b> Modern nuclear-powered ballistic-missile submarines can launch their nuclear missiles while remaining submerged. In fact, this is one of the most important features of these submarines: they can remain hidden underwater while carrying out a strategic nuclear strike. The missiles generally do not ignite their main rocket engines inside the submarine. Instead, they are ejected from their launch tubes and travel upward through the water before their rocket motors ignite.</i></font></div><div><font size="4"><i><br></i></font></div><div><font size="4"><i>The U.S. Navy's Ohio-class ballistic-missile submarines carry Trident II D5 missiles and are designed for extended patrols while concealed underwater. Their ability to launch without surfacing makes them a particularly survivable part of the United States' nuclear deterrent. <span style="background-color:transparent">So, </span><span style="background-color:transparent">yes:</span><span style="background-color:transparent"> </span><span style="background-color:transparent">the </span><span style="background-color:transparent">submarine </span><span style="background-color:transparent">can </span><span style="background-color:transparent">remain </span><span style="background-color:transparent">submerged </span><span style="background-color:transparent">throughout </span><span style="background-color:transparent">the </span><span style="background-color:transparent">launch. </span><span style="background-color:transparent">The </span><span style="background-color:transparent">missile, </span><span style="background-color:transparent">of </span><span style="background-color:transparent">course, </span><span style="background-color:transparent">must </span><span style="background-color:transparent">leave </span><span style="background-color:transparent">the </span><span style="background-color:transparent">water </span><span style="background-color:transparent">before </span><span style="background-color:transparent">its </span><span style="background-color:transparent">main </span><span style="background-color:transparent">rocket </span><span style="background-color:transparent">motor </span><span style="background-color:transparent">propels </span><span style="background-color:transparent">it </span><span style="background-color:transparent">toward </span><span style="background-color:transparent">space." </span></i></font></div><div><font size="4"><i><span style="background-color:transparent"><br></span></i></font></div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><span style="background-color:transparent"><b>John K Clark</b></span></font></div><div><font size="4"><i><span style="background-color:transparent"><br></span></i></font></div><div><font size="4"><i><span style="background-color:transparent"><br></span></i></font></div><div><font size="4"><i><span style="background-color:transparent"><br></span></i></font></div><div><font size="4"><i><span style="background-color:transparent"><br></span></i></font></div><div><font size="4"><i><span style="background-color:transparent"><br></span></i></font></div><div><font size="4"><i><span style="background-color:transparent"><br></span></i></font></div><div><i><font size="4"> </font></i></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div style="font-size:small"><br></div><div style="font-size:small"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><br></div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"></div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><br><div><br></div><div><font size="4"><font face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b>Why do cult preachers who predict an exact date for the end of the world fail to lose any popularity<span class="gmail_default"> with their </span><span style="background-color:transparent">slavish acolyte<span class="gmail_default">s</span></span><span class="gmail_default" style="background-color:transparent"> even after that date recedes into the past and their prediction clearly failed because the world still continues? Nobody knows. I do have strong evidence that millions of people continue to find Donald J Trump to be charming and charismatic even after he has told literally TENS OF THOUSANDS of lies. For some reason his apparent charm and charisma never worked a damn with me, I find him to be</span></b></font><b style="background-color:transparent;font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><span class="gmail_default" style="background-color:transparent"> so stupid and pompous he would be comical if he hadn't introduced so much new misery to the world which already had quite enough. I freely admit I can't explain how doomsday cult leaders or the current leader of the Republican Party could possibly exist, but somehow both can. </span></b></font></div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b><span style="background-color:transparent"><br></span></b></font></div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><span style="background-color:transparent"><b>I also know<span class="gmail_default"> that during the height of the Covid pandemic the difference between a doomsday cult and the modern Republican Party started to get very blurry. </span> </b></span></font></div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b><span style="background-color:transparent"><br></span></b></font></div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b><span style="background-color:transparent"><span class="gmail_default">John K Clark</span><br></span></b></font></div><div><br></div><div> </div></div></div>
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