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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>BillK via extropy-chat<br><b>Subject:</b> [ExI] AIs and human conflict<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>On Sat, 24 Oct 2026 at 14:39, spike jones via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br>> What I still haven’t been able to envision is how the AIs will handle the fact that humans are actively fighting each other, and asking them to join in the fight.<br>> spike<br>> _______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Hi Spike<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal>You can discuss this with AIs. They will not solve the issue, but they will highlight all the problems.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Some selections from several discussions with DeepSeek AI below.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>BillK<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>DeepSeek 4.1 AI:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>>…<span style='color:black'>The core difficulty is that “aligned to humans” is not a well-defined target when humans are in conflict</span>…<span style='color:black'>And an AGI powerful enough to impose peace would also be powerful enough to impose tyranny or trigger worse conflict.<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>-------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal>Consider the bad guy with the knife in Stuart’s video. The robot jumps up to defend the young lady. Cool! But how does the robot know which of the two in that “conflict” is the bad guy? When he sees the bad guy coming with the knife, he doesn’t pull out his own knife and stab the young lady.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Regarding the subsequent video where the robot kung fu kicks the child, did you notice the body language of the robot after the apparently accidental kick? He seems to exude a vibe that says Oh shit, now I dunnit, I am gonna sooooo get reprogrammed.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I don’t know BillK. I can’t offer any good argument that AI will align with humanity. We are too unalignable-with.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>spike<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></body></html>