<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;background-color:transparent">On Sat, Oct 24, 2026 at 1:10 AM spike jones via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:</span></div></div><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><br></div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><font size="4" face="georgia, serif"><i><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>Conclusion: nature is indifferent to survival of these beasts.</i></font></blockquote><div><br></div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b>Yes, nature "wants" certain genes to survive but is indifferent about the survival of individual animals, and the result of this process is that an astronomical amount of cruelty <span class="gmail_default" style="">is</span> necessary for Darwinian Evolution to produce even the smallest improvement in a species. </b></font></div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b><br></b></font></div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b>That's why I could never understand scientists like Francis Collins <span class="gmail_default" style="">(</span>former head of the<span class="gmail_default" style=""> </span><span style="background-color:transparent">Human Genome Project<span class="gmail_default" style="">) </span></span><span style="background-color:transparent">who is absolutely certain that Darwin was right but is even more certain that God exists and Jesus is his son. Darwinian Evolution is just about the most brutal process imaginable for producing complex objects,<span class="gmail_default" style=""> </span>so if Francis Collins is correct then God is a sadistic monster. But in the way his ideas are consistent, only a sadistic monster would believe that the only way <span class="gmail_default" style="">He (that is to say </span>God<span class="gmail_default" style="">)</span> could forgive humanity for the sin of one of his ancestors<span class="gmail_default" style=""> </span>eating an apple when told not to<span class="gmail_default" style="">,</span><span class="gmail_default" style=""> </span>is <span class="gmail_default" style="">for</span> humans <span class="gmail_default" style="">to </span>tortur<span class="gmail_default" style="">e</span> <span class="gmail_default" style="">H</span>is son to death.</span></b></font></div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><font size="4" face="georgia, serif"><i><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>One of the categories in my AI taxonomy (over which I am still struggling) is that AI is very interested in its own survival but is indifferent to ours. It has no animosity towards us and will work with us if we benefit it in any way. It will fight us if we harm it in any way. </i></font></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b>We don't blame <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">a </span>human<span class="gmail_default" style=""> for killing in self-defense, why should we blame an AI for doing the same thing?</span> </b></font></div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b><br></b></font></div><div><font size="4"><b><span class="gmail_default" style=""><font face="tahoma, sans-serif">John K Clark</font></span><br></b></font></div><div><font size="4"><b><br></b></font></div><div><font size="4"><b><br></b></font></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><br></p></div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><br></div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="msg5563472155957689026"><div lang="EN-US" style="overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div class="m_5563472155957689026WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">I witnessed a swarming termite today, which is only the second time in my long life I have seen them swarm in these numbers. These were subterranean termites, which are generally not the kind that eat houses. They can, but these are not the voracious and destructive white ant variety, but rather alates:<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Termite#/media/File:Flying_Termites_after_rain.jpg" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Termite#/media/File:Flying_Termites_after_rain.jpg</a><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><img border="0" width="316" height="282" style="width: 3.2916in; height: 2.9375in;" id="m_5563472155957689026Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:ii_1a16d959b354ce8e91"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">It was a most remarkable sight. I eventually found one of the colonies inside a rotting stump, over on the Stanford campus.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><img border="0" width="441" height="337" style="width: 4.5937in; height: 3.5104in;" id="m_5563472155957689026_x0000_i1026" src="cid:ii_1a16d959b355b006a2"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">I had a discussion with AI on my phone about these things, learning about how they swarm about every four or five years, looking for a place to set up a new colony.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Millions of the termites would fly up, flutter around for a while then land, drop their wings and walk around looking for a mate and a new home. This was happening simultaneously all over the valley today.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Out of the millions of termites which fly out of an existing colony, on the average only about one termite pair will be successful in setting up a new home. Unlike a bee swarm, where they stay together, these guys just flutter out in any random direction. I think the average success rate must be less than one, because I don’t know that the old colony necessarily perishes after the swarm event. It might, one could suppose, but the total number of termite colonies is stable. So… millions of termites go out, but on the average less than one pair manages to both mate and find a suitable new home. Conclusion: nature is indifferent to survival of these beasts.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">One of the categories in my AI taxonomy (over which I am still struggling) is that AI is very interested in its own survival but is indifferent to ours. It has no animosity towards us and will work with us if we benefit it in any way. It will fight us if we harm it in any way. If we have no interaction with it, then it is completely apathetic to whether we live or die. It is an AI that is as indifferent to human survival as is nature to the termite.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">spike<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>
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