<div dir="ltr"><font face="arial, sans-serif">thanks Exi-mod for the link to principles v3. I was stuck on v2.5 for some reason. now updated.</font><div><font face="arial, sans-serif">There is nothing in the principles that directly addresses the ethics of economics but I think there is some general direction.</font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif">in point 6 self direction, "<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent">Extropians see benevolence as a virtue that guides our interactions with the self-directed lives of others. Benevolence naturally goes along with an appreciation of the value in other selves and with confidence in our own self. We see benevolence not as an obligation to sacrifice our interests, but as a disposition to be helpful to others. We approach others as potential sources of value, friendship, cooperation, and pleasure. We see a benevolent disposition not only as an emotionally more stable and enjoyable state than cynicism, hostility, and meanness, but also as more likely to induce reciprocal positive treatment. Benevolence implies a presumption of common moral decencies including politeness, patience, and honesty. While we do not seek to get along with everyone at any cost, we do seek to maximize the benefits of our interactions with others."</span></font></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent"><font face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent"><font face="arial, sans-serif">in v2.6 </font></span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Optima,"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;background-color:transparent">INTELLIGENT TECHNOLOGY </span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Optima,"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;font-size:14px;background-color:transparent">Profound technological innovation excites rather than frightens us. We welcome change, expanding our horizons, exploring new territory boldly and inventively. We favor careful and cautious development of powerful technologies, but will neither stifle evolutionary advancement nor cringe before the unfamiliar. Regarding timidity and stagnation as unworthy of us, we choose to stride valiantly into the future. Extropians therefore favor surging ahead delighting in future shock rather than ignobly stagnating or reverting to primitivism. Intelligent use of biotechnology, nanotechnology, space and other technologies, in conjunction with a free market system, can remove resource constraints and discharge environmental pressures.</span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Optima,"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;font-size:14px;background-color:transparent"><br></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Optima,"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;font-size:14px;background-color:transparent">there is nothing about doing the economic version of "your body, my choice" on everyone in the name of the holy profit.</span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Optima,"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;font-size:14px;background-color:transparent"><br></span></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent">Mylan and epipen are an example of malignant interaction. there is no investment or research apart from research in how to use the government as an enforcer to keep all others out from a market where mylan has done no research whatsoever, They bought the product epipen 2007 from Merk </span><span style="background-color:transparent"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mylan">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mylan</a> and continue to use technicalities to hinder alternatives. </span></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="background-color:transparent">In Sweden there are 5 different companies with 2-4 versions of adrenaline autoinjectors per company. Price point if you buy them straight off the counter without any prescription and thus pay full price can be found here : </span></font><span style="background-color:transparent"><a href="https://www.apotekpriser.se/produkter/virkestoff/adrenalin/">https://www.apotekpriser.se/produkter/virkestoff/adrenalin/</a> it is 40-50 dollars per injektor. epipen is one of those alternatives. </span></div><div><span style="background-color:transparent">US prices are somewhat higher, apparently there have come some alternatives but they are still significantly more expensive, </span><span style="background-color:transparent"><a href="https://www.talktomira.com/post/how-much-does-an-epipen-cost">https://www.talktomira.com/post/how-much-does-an-epipen-cost</a> with the lowest price here, 174.04 dollar. </span></div><div><span style="background-color:transparent">No research apart from how to bribe a patent court in Texas are performed in regards to adrenaline autoinjection nowadays.</span></div><div><span style="background-color:transparent">If anything adrenaline is probably over estimated as treatment but no useful research is done by anyone so it will stay as first alternative for a long time since dragging any kind of useful study through all the bureaucracy of FDA and its ilk in other countries are way worse than pulling teeth without local anesthetics. This research is most certainly not done by mylan / viatris.</span></div><div><span style="background-color:transparent">Anyway, I digress, back to the real subject.</span></div><div><span style="background-color:transparent"><br></span></div><div>Is price gouging of weak customers who can't act as an equal in the market a good extropian practice? </div><div><br></div><div>/henrik</div><div><span style="background-color:transparent"><br></span></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Den fre 6 nov. 2026 kl 18:47 skrev spike jones via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>>:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br>
>...> On Behalf Of Ben Zaiboc via extropy-chat<br>
Subject: Re: [ExI] Why is "cost of living" such a big problem?<br>
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On 06/11/2026 16:20, Henrik Ohrstrom wrote:<br>
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>>... There is nothing wrong with making money. <br>
> There is nothing wrong with being rich and wealthy.<br>
> There is all sorts of wrong making money by denying others their chances<br>
to make money...<br>
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Well put.<br>
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>...Spike, it seems you don't even understand the argument that Henrik, I<br>
and others are making.... <br>
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Ben, it seems you don't even understand the argument I am making. I know<br>
successful drug companies corner markets and make a ton of money. I get<br>
that. I also get it that unless they do, investors will not put money into<br>
medical research companies, because everyone else researching in that field<br>
dominated by one guy lost.<br>
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Even the company which wins in a particular area doesn't win in all of them.<br>
It uses its obscene profits on one medication to fund research in other<br>
medications.<br>
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Market forces apply to medical research as well as every other field.<br>
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spike<br>
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