<div dir="auto">How do you get Europeans, or the rest of the world for that, to pay more for medicines developed in the US? You set a price that you are willing to accept for your product and then if there is enough overlap between your requested price and the buyers willingness to pay then Hey! 'you got a sale. <div dir="auto">Capitalism 101.</div><div dir="auto">Set the price as needed to get sufficient income wealth etc. etm. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">If the overlap between production and demand doesn't immediately match then you start dealing and maybe come to an agreement and then Hey! you got a sale!</div><div dir="auto">Without agreement on price, you have no sale and the buyer have no product. </div><div dir="auto">Everyone sad and poor.</div><div dir="auto">Capitalism 101.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Since India buys US developed medicine for a price that they are willing to pay and the US are willing to sell at, then the market works.</div><div dir="auto">This is Capitalism 101 and also in perfect agreement with the extropian principles. </div><div dir="auto">Also with libertarian principles and even with socialist principles (shock and gasp!) </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">That patients in India, Pakistan, China, Sweden, kongo and som other developing countries pay less than for the same substances than a patient in the US is not a market failure, it is a regulation failure and a sign of incompetence.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Regulation failure since the drug market in capitalistic USA is less driven by a free market than the drug market in socialist Sweden. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Incompetence since Why the Fuck! do you tolerate that shit?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">/Henrik </div><div dir="auto"><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Den sön 8 nov. 2026 16:08spike jones via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> skrev:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div class="m_-5785188604849040786WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div style="border-width:1pt medium medium;border-style:solid none none;border-color:rgb(225,225,225) currentcolor currentcolor;padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> John Clark <<a href="mailto:johnkclark@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">johnkclark@gmail.com</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, 8 November, 2026 5:38 AM<br><b>To:</b> ExI chat list <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:spike@rainier66.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">spike@rainier66.com</a>; Ben Zaiboc <<a href="mailto:benzaiboc@proton.me" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">benzaiboc@proton.me</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] Why is "cost of living" such a big problem?<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">On Sat, Nov 7, 2026 at 6:00<span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"> </span>PM spike jones via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><blockquote style="border-width:medium medium medium 1pt;border-style:none none none solid;border-color:currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><p class="m_-5785188604849040786m317077278861118001msoplaintext"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="m_-5785188604849040786m317077278861118001msoplaintext">This chart is most enlightening: <u></u><u></u></p><p class="m_-5785188604849040786m317077278861118001msoplaintext"><span style="color:black"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="m_-5785188604849040786m317077278861118001msoplaintext"><span style="color:black"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="m_-5785188604849040786m317077278861118001msoplaintext"><img border="0" width="653" height="541" style="width: 6.802in; height: 5.6354in;" id="m_-5785188604849040786m_317077278861118001Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:image001.jpg@01DD6F4F.A53AB310"><u></u><u></u></p><p class="m_-5785188604849040786m317077278861118001msoplaintext"><span style="color:black"> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div></blockquote><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">Spike, how are you able to post charts?<span class="m_-5785188604849040786gmaildefault"> Every time that I've tried to post a chart or a picture to this list our old steam powered antique web server says my post has been rejected because it's too big….<u></u><u></u></span></span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="m_-5785188604849040786gmaildefault"><b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></b></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="m_-5785188604849040786gmaildefault"><b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">Take a screen shot or copy/paste into an email to yourself, trim it down to just the figure of interest, go into the email to yourself, copy the image, paste into the Exi post, switch to graphic mode if it asks. Notice the image is degraded quality, but you can still read the fine print.<u></u><u></u></span></b></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="m_-5785188604849040786gmaildefault"><b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></b></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="m_-5785188604849040786gmaildefault"><b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"> </span></b></span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="m_-5785188604849040786gmaildefault"><b><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">>…And by the way, I'll be damned if I can see how are a chart that shows an astronomical increased in hospital costs in the USA strengthens your argument that the healthcare system in the USA is so good that it needs absolutely positively no changes whatsoever, except perhaps to make things a little more difficult for poor people. </span></b></span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="m_-5785188604849040786gmaildefault"><b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"> John K Clark<u></u><u></u></span></b></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="m_-5785188604849040786gmaildefault"><b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></b></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="m_-5785188604849040786gmaildefault"><b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">It needs changes. Just not the ones you suggest. To that point: I don’t know how to get Europeans to pay more for yank-developed medications. <u></u><u></u></span></b></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="m_-5785188604849040786gmaildefault"><b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></b></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="m_-5785188604849040786gmaildefault"><b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">But consider for instance, if you have ever employed physicians assistants, you know they are very good, and they cost a lot less than doctors. Generic drugs cost way less. You don’t need the name brands. If you wish to experiment with it, try some of the many low-priced viagra knockoffs (they work (hey you might as well have fun while you are experimenting.)) <u></u><u></u></span></b></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="m_-5785188604849040786gmaildefault"><b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></b></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="m_-5785188604849040786gmaildefault"><b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">Once you learn how to use the AI tools effectively, such as Doximity, that doesn’t cost anything, and you will astonish your own doctors by coming in there knowing more about your condition than they do. Often I get asked if I am a doctor. No, but I am using the same tools they do, and I have a lot of time to learn all the details of my specific condition. The doctors hafta know everything, but I can study one particular malady and know the hell outta that one area, I can know all the latest medications, all the terminology, the risks, the likely outcomes. Doctors can do way better with highly informed patients. I am retired, so I have nothing better to do.<u></u><u></u></span></b></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="m_-5785188604849040786gmaildefault"><b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></b></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="m_-5785188604849040786gmaildefault"><b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">Doctors are not gods. They know medical things and can prescribe medications, but if you look at how they are being tasked, it surprises me they are as good as they are. They seldom get patients who are effective communicators for instance. Well, you know EXACTLY how you feel, I know exactly how I feel. If you can express that to Doximity and find a reasonable diagnosis, doctors will follow your lead. They will bring their buddies and students in to talk to you. Ther terminology is obscure, but you can memorize it all. That’s what they do in medical school: much of it is memorizing terminology. You can get satisfactory results from the yank medical system, but it takes effort on the part of the patient. I do recommend getting health insurance.<u></u><u></u></span></b></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="m_-5785188604849040786gmaildefault"><b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></b></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="m_-5785188604849040786gmaildefault"><b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">spike<u></u><u></u></span></b></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="m_-5785188604849040786gmaildefault"><b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></b></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="m_-5785188604849040786gmaildefault"><b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></b></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>
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