[Paleopsych] inner judges: all you need is love
Steve Hovland
shovland at mindspring.com
Fri Dec 17 03:01:24 UTC 2004
As a person who has struggled with depression my whole
life, I would say there is both a psychic and physical
component, and you need to treat both.
Given that Tyrosine makes me feel better but has no
effect on seratonin, I am suspicious about the association
between seratonin and depression.
I would say that the "Prozac poop-out" in part occurs
because not enough raw amino acid material is arriving
at the site of the action. Also I have hear that some people think
that Prozac cause neuron die-off. And are you aware
that Prozac is toxic to the Isles of Langerhans, which
means that it cause diabetes, a common cause of death?
Steve Hovland
www.stevehovland.net
-----Original Message-----
From: Ross Buck [SMTP:ross.buck at uconn.edu]
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 9:30 AM
To: 'The new improved paleopsych list'
Subject: RE: [Paleopsych] inner judges: all you need is love
As these postings indicate, there is much hard science behind the biology of
depression, although control issues seem important as well: coming up with
one's own regimen and believing in it may in itself have as much effect as
the amino acids themselves. On the other hand, taking major antidepressants
may alter the biology (temporarily) but may by implication and in fact
represent a ceding of control which may haunt one later if the drug by its
very nature alters the natural system and thereby becomes less effective
("Prozac poop-out").
Regarding the existence of the two types of depression, that is not my idea
but is a generally recognized medical distinction between
catecholamine-deficit Type A versus serotonin-deficit Type B depression. My
suggestion is that 1. these represent deficits in individualist effectance
and prosocial attachment motive/emotions, respectively, 2. for many reasons
males tend to be affected more by effectance deficits and females by
attachment deficits, and 3. individualist effectance is particularly
associated with right hemisphere and prosocial attachment with left
hemisphere mechanisms. These are testable hypotheses, and in fact are
consistent with much data as is reviewed in my Psych Review papers
referenced below. I welcome comments thoughts, and criticisms about this.
Howard's original point, that evolution has riddled us with self-destruct
mechanisms, is quite compatible with the notion that being loved is a key
determinant of whether one is of value. There is plentiful evidence that
social support has strong stress-buffering effects, and that isolation and
particularly bereavement can be devastating physiologically. I suggest that
nonverbal-emotional communication has bioregulatory functions that mediate
these effects. I also think that, all else equal, being loved is a more
powerful determinant of one's value than being competent in an
individualist-effectance sense.
Might as well face it, we're addicted to love...
Cheers, Ross
-----Original Message-----
From: paleopsych-bounces at paleopsych.org
[mailto:paleopsych-bounces at paleopsych.org] On Behalf Of Richard Metzger
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 1:28 AM
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Subject: Re: [Paleopsych] inner judges on the rampage
I have a similar regimen with these same amino acids mentioned here and
it works great for me too. One feels *quite* peppy during the day,
especially l-phenylalanine taken with coffee. It's like rocket fuel and
it works quite well at staving off depression, I wholeheartedly agree.
It's all I need to do, in fact.
Richard
On Dec 15, 2004, at 9:43 PM, Christian Rauh wrote:
> Does phenylalanine really have an effect or is this just a joke? I
> mean, diet coke?
>
> Christian
>
> Steve Hovland wrote:
>> The amino acids l-phenylalanine and l-tyrosine
>> are precursors to catecholamines. At this time of year I am
>> supplementing with both of those to overcome winter blahs. I'm doing
>> very well.
>> I take 500m of tyrosine at breakfast and 500mg
>> of phenylalanine at lunch and finish the day
>> with high energy. Tyrosine is also supposed to boost dopamine.
>> Phenylalanine combined with too much coffee
>> shatters my ability to concentrate.
>> Tryptophan is a precursor to seratonin, but at this time of year that
>> is not good for me.
>> I tend to be high at midyear and take tryptophan
>> then to smooth me out.
>> Steve Hovland
>> www.stevehovland.net
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Geraldine Reinhardt [SMTP:waluk at earthlink.net]
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 7:50 PM
>> To: The new improved paleopsych list
>> Subject: Re: [Paleopsych] inner judges on the rampage
>> I certainly hope so because my research is coincident to that of
>> Ross. Low catecholamines is worth investigation as in low serotonin
>> yet my bottom line is how to increase both chemicals. Is this done
>> physically or psychologically?
>> Gerry Reinhart-Waller
>> Independent Scholar
>> http://www.home.earthlink.net/~waluk
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Hovland"
>> <shovland at mindspring.com>
>> To: "'The new improved paleopsych list'" <paleopsych at paleopsych.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 6:18 PM
>> Subject: RE: [Paleopsych] inner judges on the rampage
>>> Ross- do you think you will be able to find
>>> some hard science to confirm your theories
>>> about 2 forms of depression?
>>>
>>> Steve Hovland
>>> www.stevehovland.net
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Ross Buck [SMTP:ross.buck at uconn.edu]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 8:36 AM
>>> To: 'The new improved paleopsych list'; HowlBloom at aol.com
>>> Subject: RE: [Paleopsych] inner judges on the rampage
>>>
>>> Howard:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I agree with that control (competence) is a key determinant of
>>> whether one
>>> is of value or not, but it is only half the picture. The other is
>>> being
>>> loved. Effectance/competence motivation and attachment-love are the
>>> two
>>> great biomotivators of higher-level emotions/motives in human beings
>>> (and
>>> other creatures), and I think they are fully dissociable. I have
>>> hypothesized that a lack of control is associated with Type A major
>>> depression (associated with low catecholamines) and a lack of love is
>>> associated with Type B major depression (associated with low
>>> serotonin).
>>> These are ancient mechanisms: serotonin will turn on threat displays
>>> in
>>> lobsters, and SSRIs are effective for many (not all) depressions.
>>> All else
>>> equal, men may be more susceptible to Type A depression and women to
>>> Type B,
>>> and there is recent evidence that depression is associated with
>>> right-hemisphere mechanisms in men and left-hemisphere mechanisms in
>>> women.
>>> I think the LH is particularly associated with prosocial emotions
>>> (including
>>> the emotions/motives underlying the learning, teaching, and use of
>>> language)
>>> and the RH with individualist emotions/motives.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers, Ross
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> References:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Buck, R. (1999). The biological affects: A typology.
>>> Psychological
>>> Review. 106(2), 301-336.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Buck, R. (2002). The genetics and biology of true love:
>>> Prosocial
>>> biological affects and the left hemisphere. Psychological Review.
>>> 109(4).
>>> 739-744.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ross Buck, Ph. D.
>>>
>>> Professor of Communication Sciences
>>>
>>> and Psychology
>>>
>>> Communication Sciences U-1085
>>>
>>> University of Connecticut
>>>
>>> Storrs, CT 06269-1085
>>>
>>> 860-486-4494
>>>
>>> fax 860-486-5422
>>>
>>> buck at uconnvm.uconn.edu
>>>
>>> http://www.coms.uconn.edu/docs/people/faculty/rbuck/index.htm
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it
>>> from
>>> religious conviction."
>>>
>>> -- Blaise Pascal
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _____
>>>
>>> From: paleopsych-bounces at paleopsych.org
>>> [mailto:paleopsych-bounces at paleopsych.org] On Behalf Of
>>> HowlBloom at aol.com
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 12:21 AM
>>> To: paleopsych at paleopsych.org
>>> Subject: [Paleopsych] inner judges on the rampage
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If the theory put forth in my first book, The Lucifer Principle: A
>>> Scientific Expedition Into the Forces of History, is at all correct,
>>> evolution has riddled us with self-destruct mechanisms, mechanisms
>>> that do
>>> away with us when we are not a part of the solution, we are part of
>>> the
>>> problem. By shutting us down, our self-destruct mechanisms shunt
>>> resources
>>> to those who have a handle on the crisis at hand and snatches the
>>> goods away
>>> from those who can't get a grip on things. She turns on those who
>>> contribute to the neural net, to the complex adaptive system, to the
>>> collective learning machine-just as she hands out bio-prizes to
>>> useful
>>> citizens of the immune system, lymphocytes and bio-punishments to
>>> citizens
>>> whose specialization is momentarily irrelevant. Evolution, biology,
>>> physiology, or whatever you choose to call our stress mechanism and
>>> her grim
>>> reapers do this to maximize the intelligence of the collective
>>> enterprise.
>>> In the case of the immune system, some are made wealthy and
>>> vigorous, and
>>> some are made weak and imporvished so that the overall system can
>>> defeat
>>> invaders.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The key determiner of whether you are of value or not seems to be
>>> the extent
>>> to which you feel you have control.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Is the fact that,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "The pressure of meeting a work deadline can produce a sixfold
>>> increase in
>>> the risk of suffering a heart attack over the course of the
>>> following day.
>>> And competition at work could double the ongoing risk"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> an example of a self-destruct mechanism at work? Has evolution done
>>> what my
>>> second book, Global Brain: The Evolution of Mass Mind From The Big
>>> Bang to
>>> the 21st Century, claims? Has it seated inner judges within us to
>>> determine
>>> who wins and loses the competition and who is and is not up to the
>>> challenge-of-the-day? Howard
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Retrieved December 15, 2004, from the World Wide Web
>>> <http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99996786>
>>> http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99996786
>>>
>>> Stressful deadlines boost heart attack risk 00:01 14 December 04
>>> NewScientist.com news service The pressure of meeting a work
>>> deadline can
>>> produce a sixfold increase in the risk of suffering a heart attack
>>> over the
>>> course of the following day. And competition at work could double the
>>> ongoing risk, according to a new study. Previous research has shown
>>> that
>>> intense anger, sexual activity and emotional stress can all lead to
>>> heart
>>> attacks. But this is the first time having an intense work deadline
>>> has been
>>> singled out as a trigger for heart attack over such a short
>>> timescale.
>>> "This is potentially important for patients and for Swedish work
>>> law," says
>>> lead author Jette Moller of the Karolinska Institutet in Stockholm,
>>> Sweden.
>>> "Changes in the labour market organisation have created more stress
>>> and
>>> people should be aware of the impact on health." She cites workload,
>>> lower
>>> job security and increased competition in the workplace as factors.
>>> The
>>> study questioned nearly 1400 heart attack survivors from the
>>> Stockholm area,
>>> aged 45 to 70, about the period leading up to their first heart
>>> attack. They
>>> were compared with a control group of about 1700 people who had not
>>> had a
>>> heart attack. The volunteers were asked questions about their work
>>> over the
>>> last year and over the days immediately before their heart attack.
>>> The
>>> questions included whether they had been criticised for their
>>> performance or
>>> lateness, been promoted or laid off, faced a high-pressure deadline
>>> at work,
>>> changed their workplace and whether their financial situation had
>>> changed.
>>> Money worries The results show that intense pressure over a short
>>> period
>>> increased the risk of a heart attack more than a build up of stress
>>> over an
>>> entire year, and that the heart attack can follow very soon after
>>> this spell
>>> of increased pressure. Amongst the heart attack group, 8% had faced a
>>> significant event at work less than 24 hours before their attack.
>>> However,
>>> long-term changes also play a part. Taking on extra responsibility
>>> at work
>>> over the last year - if viewed negatively by the participant -
>>> increased the
>>> chance of a heart attack by almost four times in women and over six
>>> times in
>>> men. And a deterioration in financial situation tripled the risk of
>>> a heart
>>> attack amongst women. Subscribe to New Scientist for more news and
>>> features
>>> Related Stories Downsizing raises risk of death in workers 23
>>> February 2004
>>> Science graduates live long and prosper 01 August 2003 Unfair
>>> bosses make
>>> blood pressure soar 24 June 2003 For more related stories search
>>> the print
>>> edition Archive Weblinks Social Epidemiology Research, Karolinska
>>> Institutet, Stockholm George Fieldman, Buckinghamshire Chilterns
>>> University
>>> College Journal of Epidemiology and Community Health George
>>> Fieldman, an
>>> expert in cognitive therapy and health psychology at Buckinghamshire
>>> Chilterns University College in the UK, says the sixfold increase in
>>> risk
>>> caused by meeting a deadline is massive, but not surprising. He
>>> points out
>>> that previous research has shown that a person's chance of suffering
>>> a heart
>>> attack is higher on a Monday morning. He adds these studies can help
>>> to
>>> pinpoint the stress risk factors for heart attacks. "It is difficult
>>> to
>>> unpick the details of what constitutes stress for different people in
>>> different situations," he says. The study shows that stress at work
>>> can
>>> pose a very real and immediate threat to health, Fieldman says, and
>>> adds: "I
>>> must remember to take it easy." Journal reference: Journal of
>>> Epidemiology
>>> and Community Health (DOI: 10.1136/jech.2003.019349) Katharine Davis
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----------
>>> Howard Bloom
>>> Author of The Lucifer Principle: A Scientific Expedition Into the
>>> Forces of
>>> History and Global Brain: The Evolution of Mass Mind From The Big
>>> Bang to
>>> the 21st Century
>>> Visiting Scholar-Graduate Psychology Department, New York
>>> University; Core
>>> Faculty Member, The Graduate Institute
>>> www.howardbloom.net
>>> www.bigbangtango.net
>>> Founder: International Paleopsychology Project; founding board
>>> member: Epic
>>> of Evolution Society; founding board member, The Darwin Project;
>>> founder:
>>> The Big Bang Tango Media Lab; member: New York Academy of Sciences,
>>> American
>>> Association for the Advancement of Science, American Psychological
>>> Society,
>>> Academy of Political Science, Human Behavior and Evolution Society,
>>> International Society for Human Ethology; advisory board member:
>>> Youthactivism.org; executive editor -- New Paradigm book series.
>>> For information on The International Paleopsychology Project, see:
>>> www.paleopsych.org
>>> for two chapters from
>>> The Lucifer Principle: A Scientific Expedition Into the Forces of
>>> History,
>>> see www.howardbloom.net/lucifer
>>> For information on Global Brain: The Evolution of Mass Mind from the
>>> Big
>>> Bang to the 21st Century, see www.howardbloom.net
>>>
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> A little patience, and we shall see the reign of witches pass over,
> their spells dissolve, and the people, recovering their true sight,
> restore their government to its true principles. It is true that in
> the meantime we are suffering deeply in spirit, and incurring the
> horrors of a war and long oppressions of enormous public debt......
> If the game runs sometimes against us at home we must have patience
> till luck turns, and then we shall have an opportunity of winning
> back the principles we have lost, for this is a game where
> principles are at stake.
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