[Paleopsych] religious right

Steve Hovland shovland at mindspring.com
Sat Nov 6 12:04:05 UTC 2004

Actually, I was trying to be droll.

I come from the heartland, so I speak from decades of living there.

At the end, I felt betrayed by Kerry and the Democrats.  Once I
heard he was conceding, he became a dead man to me.

Uniting behind Bush is out of the question.  There is too much at
stake.  The end of the election didn't change that.

Steve Hovland

-----Original Message-----
From:	Lynn D. Johnson, Ph.D. [SMTP:ljohnson at solution-consulting.com]
Sent:	Saturday, November 06, 2004 3:35 AM
To:	The new improved paleopsych list
Subject:	Re: [Paleopsych] religious right

The kind of attributions Michael made and your responses are really hate 
speech and have no place in a thoughtful dialog. They are also 
completely wrong, as all projective language is, coming from your own 
unresolved issues. Why not embrace Kerry's concession speech and try 
uniting? All hate speech does is further polarizes.

Steve Hovland wrote:

>The good fundamentalist kids are busy
>getting blissed out on Jesus rock and on
>not having sex :-)
>The guys with too much testoterone
>probably join the Marines...
>Steve Hovland
>-----Original Message-----
>From:	Michael Christopher [SMTP:anonymous_animus at yahoo.com]
>Sent:	Friday, November 05, 2004 8:27 PM
>To:	paleopsych at paleopsych.org
>Subject:	[Paleopsych] religious right
>>>Suppose the evangelicals mutate into Brown 
>Shirts. Do the sane people just stand back and let
>them run amuck?<<
>--I do not believe most American Christians would turn
>into thugs (not to mention, such talk sounds like
>paranoid leftist ranting to conservatives). They're
>capable of discriminating against atheists, feminists,
>gays and liberals, on a subtle level. They are capable
>of maddening pride and many are capable of verbal
>bullying. But if some part of the Christian community
>descended to the thug level, they would be disowned by
>the majority, and it would harm their cause more than
>anything their opponents could do.
>Of course, if people riot against them, they'll have
>every reason to support police crackdowns. You have to
>be more Christlike than the Christians, apply Gandhi's
>principles of nonviolent social transformation, and
>avoid matching anger with anger. There is no way to
>defeat the religious right with hate, no way to beat
>them back with force. They will defeat themselves, if
>atheists, liberals, feminists and gays are more
>Christlike than they are. Trust me, when you apply
>Christ's teachings with a Christian who fails to
>understand brotherly love, it infuriates them and they
>cut their own throats. Their own insulting behavior
>renders their arguments impotent.
>Also helps if you have a Buddhist understanding of
>attachment to power and identity. Fundamentalist
>Christians and Muslims have a lot of "issues"
>revolving around submission vs. control. They are
>easily knocked off center by someone who loves them
>and hates their sin, so to speak. They tend to become
>their opposite, so whatever they hate gives you some
>indication of what they resist inwardly. Social
>jujitsu is very effective with that kind of person,
>and if you can restrain your own anger and find some
>part of you that really cares about the "fundie", you
>can transform the situation with no physical
>confrontation whatsoever.
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