[Paleopsych] The prefection of democracy

Wed Nov 10 00:23:12 UTC 2004

Steve,

>>The problem we have is that the now we, the
American people as a whole, have lost control
of these systems and will be the victims of
those who do control them until those systems
are made honest.  >>

Any suggestions how to making voting machines honest?  In the precinct where 
I voted, we were offered a choice of electronic voting or a paper ballot.  I 
had expected that these voting machines would somehow record a paper vote 
but that wasn't the case.  Are there actually machines that offer a paper 
readout or this this simply another urban legend.

Gerry

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Hovland" <shovland at mindspring.com>
To: "'Geraldine Reinhardt'" <waluk at earthlink.net>
Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 8:41 PM
Subject: RE: [Paleopsych] The prefection of democracy

> The simple fact is that the voting machines
> were built to be hacked, and they were.
>
> As a person who makes a living gathering
> requirements for computer systems, I can
> tell you that the lack of audit trails and
> paper printouts was not a mere oversight.
> It was the design.
>
> The problem we have is that the now we, the
> American people as a whole, have lost control
> of these systems and will be the victims of
> those who do control them until those systems
> are made honest.
>
> The best hope we have is that all of the FOIA
> requests will result in embarrassing lawsuits
> that will lead to improvements by 2006.  The
> game THEY are playing is that with 2-4 years
> of control they can do so much that it will take
> decades to restore the previous order.
>
> Steve Hovland
> www.stevehovland.net
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Geraldine  Reinhardt [SMTP:waluk at earthlink.net]
> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 7:53 PM
> To: Steve Hovland
> Cc: paleopsych at paleopsych.org
> Subject: Re: [Paleopsych] The prefection of democracy
>
> Then if many have doubt about a sophisticated election process, they 
> should
> relinquish the right for a "democratic vote" and allow "powerful man" to
> make the decison
>
> Is shift from imperfections of Democracy being superceded by thrust of
> Totalitarianism?
>
> Gerry Reinhart-Waller
> Independent Scholar
> http://www.home.earthlink.net/~waluk
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Steve Hovland" <shovland at mindspring.com>
> To: "'Geraldine Reinhardt'" <waluk at earthlink.net>
> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 1:50 PM
> Subject: RE: [Paleopsych] The prefection of democracy
>
>
>> Check this:
>>
>> www.avirubin.com/vote.pdf
>>
>> On the surface, the machines worked just
>> fine.  But below the surface, monsters ruled :-)
>>
>> To me, all of the analysis about "the voters this,
>> the voters that" means absolutely nothing.
>>
>> I don't think the voters decided this election, nor
>> will we decide any future election until we clean
>> up the security issues and establish comprehensive
>> audit facilities to demonstrate the legitimacy of
>> the elections.
>>
>> Steve Hovland
>> www.stevehovland.net
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Geraldine  Reinhardt [SMTP:waluk at earthlink.net]
>> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 1:40 PM
>> To: shovland at mindspring.com
>> Subject: Re: [Paleopsych] The prefection of democracy
>>
>> Only if you don't believe in the democratic progess and viability of
>> machines.
>> From what I'm able to glean, it seems that voting machines did their
>> thing.
>> Even in Florida.
>> Too bad Mencken was overly educated when compared to rest of electorate.
>> That would make
>> him is the less than 2% of American public.  And that ain't a voting
>> majority.
>> Get used to it.....America is filled with plains folks and conestoga 
>> wagon
>> travellers.  There are only a few
>> places where the "blues" can hang out and that includes New England and
>> the
>> west coast with a smattering on our north central border.
>>
>> Gerry Reinhart-Waller
>> Independent Scholar
>> http://www.home.earthlink.net/~waluk
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Steve Hovland" <shovland at mindspring.com>
>> To: "'Geraldine Reinhardt'" <waluk at earthlink.net>
>> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 12:38 PM
>> Subject: RE: [Paleopsych] The prefection of democracy
>>
>>
>>> The colors have no relation to the one's
>>> you were seeing of late.
>>>
>>> I think our democracy is perfectly broken
>>> at the moment.  Prognosis unknown.
>>>
>>> Steve Hovland
>>> www.stevehovland.net
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Geraldine  Reinhardt [SMTP:waluk at earthlink.net]
>>> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 12:20 PM
>>> To: The new improved paleopsych list
>>> Cc: shovland at mindspring.com
>>> Subject: Re: [Paleopsych] The prefection of democracy
>>>
>>> The link works well.  Who colored in the states?
>>> Has democracy finally been perfected?
>>>
>>> Gerry Reinhart-Waller
>>> Independent Scholar
>>> http://www.home.earthlink.net/~waluk
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Steve Hovland" <shovland at mindspring.com>
>>> To: "'The new improved paleopsych list'" <paleopsych at paleopsych.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 12:07 PM
>>> Subject: RE: [Paleopsych] The prefection of democracy
>>>
>>>
>>>> here's where I got the fax numbers I use to
>>>> talk to congress:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Steve Hovland
>>>> www.stevehovland.net
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Ross Buck [SMTP:ross.buck at uconn.edu]
>>>> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 11:22 AM
>>>> To: 'The new improved paleopsych list'
>>>> Subject: [Paleopsych] The prefection of democracy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more 
>>>> and
>>>> more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious
>>>> day
>>>> the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and
>>>> the
>>>> White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
>>>>
>>>> H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
>>>>
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