[Paleopsych] violence in quran and bible

G. Reinhart-Waller waluk at earthlink.net
Sat Apr 2 01:49:54 UTC 2005

My question exactly.
I think he gets them from another list or he makes them up.
No problem though.


Lynn D. Johnson, Ph.D. wrote:

> Michael, where do you get these quotes? I am not getting emails with 
> them in, then I see a commentary from you.
> Lynn
> Michael Christopher wrote:
>>>>You will learn how Muhammad encouraged his handful
>>followers to attack the caravans, kill the men, rape
>>the women and bring the booty (20% for himself) to
>>please Allah<<
>>--I'd like to see more people talk about violence in
>>the Quran AND the Bible. The acts attributed to
>>Mohammad are similar to descriptions in Numbers and
>>Deuteronomy of God-sanctioned violence, slavery and
>>rape. I've met far too many Christians who excused
>>such behavior, saying "God ordered it, therefore it
>>was moral". That Christians in the US have not engaged
>>in organized violence is not reassuring, given death
>>threats against abortion providers and Michael Schiavo
>>and the more prominent judge who sided with him, and
>>the militia movement which went underground after the
>>Oklahoma bombing. If the US falls on hard times
>>economically, I do not fully trust extreme right-wing
>>Christians to stay peaceful. Hate speech is already
>>very common.
>>I'd also avoid attaching all Christians or all Muslims
>>to violence in holy books. It's clear that people CAN
>>behave better than their scriptural "founding
>>fathers", and that moderate believers need all the
>>help they can get promoting a non-literal and merciful
>>version of their faith. If all Christians believed
>>that Moses really did order the murder of infants and
>>kidnapping of virgin girls in war, and that God was
>>responsible for giving Moses the idea, I'd condemn
>>Christianity in no uncertain terms. But I've met many
>>Christians who did not agree with those passages (or
>>who simply didn't know about them) but lived genuinely
>>humble and Christlike lives. I've met as many Muslims,
>>at least online, who were similar. They all claimed to
>>believe in the Bible/Quran, yet they somehow managed
>>to emphasize the nonviolent passages and avoid
>>endorsing the violent ones. Unfortunately, many
>>Christians condemn Islam based on violence in the
>>Quran without acknowledging historical violence by
>>Christians who used the Bible to justify war crimes
>>and slavery. It is not possible to destroy Islam or
>>Christianity, only to make a clear distinction between
>>the behavior of violent and nonviolent believers. That
>>so many people seem to want to destroy one religion or
>>another strikes me as a bad sign. It pushes moderates
>>to either side passively with extremists, or to
>>withdraw from confrontation, which does the small
>>percentage of us who are atheists no good at all.
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