[Paleopsych] NYT: Explaining Those Vivid Memories of Martian Kidnappers
shovland at mindspring.com
Sat Aug 13 17:53:39 UTC 2005
I have done past life exercises and even
though I'm not a hard core believer in this,
it is interesting that the "memories" are
For example my most recent "past life"
is that of a German soldier in WWII who
ultimately dies on the Russian front.
The memory is that of walking down
a country road on a beautiful fall day,
enjoying the moment, not thinking
about what might come.
Abductees also have very specific
memories or else very good imaginations :-)
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I don't think one can rule out each and every case of alien abduction, or
of other strange phenomena, since that would involve giving better
explanations in each and every single case. But I noticed way back in high
school or college that explaining away strange phenomena as the product of
the "unconscious" (nowadays we'd talk about the brain) failed nearly as
badly, for we simply don't know how the "unconscious" works.
That said, the status on strange phenomena has been unchanged for 150
years. Lots of unexplained things out there, some of which go beyond
ordinary coincidences (or so a good number of scientists who appear to be
serious in every other way attest). But no accumulation of these events
into general laws or even trends. There may be some websites that have
systematized strange phenomena into various categories, but, as with so
much on the Net, they will be of various degrees of reliability.
You sent me a URL for a site that reported that the military was looking
into possible military uses of (what was it? I forget) but abandoned the
attempt. I don't think businesses have persisted for very long in finding
commercial applications, either.
Strange phenomena are likely to remain on my back burner.
On 2005-08-13, Lynn D. Johnson, Ph.D. opined [message unchanged below]:
> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 07:06:00 -0600
> From: "Lynn D. Johnson, Ph.D." <ljohnson at solution-consulting.com>
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> Subject: Re: [Paleopsych] NYT: Explaining Those Vivid Memories of Martian
> Clancy's hypothesis is almost certainly the best one I have seen, and
> explains the phenomena. She ignores the other side, where people report being
> abducted while wide awake. A psychiatrist friend brought two patients to my
> office because of my skill in hypnosis. These two recalled being abducted
> while in northwest Utah, raising copper wire from the Great Salt Lake from an
> old telephone line. They were unsure about whether it was legal, so it was a
> bit hush-hush. My MD friend wanted me to hypnotize them to get more info; I
> have never seen such abject terror in human beings before or since. It was
> extremely puzzling. I finally took a kind of agnosticism about it; I don't
> believe in abductions, but I cannot explain their reactions any other way.
> Premise Checker wrote:
>> Explaining Those Vivid Memories of Martian Kidnappers
>> New York Times, 5.8.9
>> By BENEDICT CAREY
>> "Abducted: How People Come to Believe They Were Kidnapped by Aliens,"
>> by Susan Clancy. Harvard University Press, $22.95.
>> People who have memories of being abducted by aliens become hardened
>> skeptics, of a kind. They dismiss the procession of scientists who
>> explain away the memories as illusions or fantasy. They scoff at talk
>> about hypnosis or the unconscious processing of Hollywood scripts. And
>> they hold their ground amid snickers from a public that thinks that
>> they are daft or psychotic.
>> They are neither, it turns out, and their experiences should be taken
>> as seriously as any strongly held exotic beliefs, according to Susan
>> Clancy, a Harvard psychologist who interviewed dozens of
>> self-described abductees as part of a series of memory studies over
>> the last several years.
>> In her book "Abducted," due in October, Dr. Clancy, a psychologist at
>> Harvard, manages to refute and defend these believers, and along the
>> way provide a discussion of current research into memory, emotion and
>> culture that renders abduction stories understandable, if not
>> believable. Although it focuses on abduction memories, the book hints
>> at a larger ambition, to explain the psychology of transformative
>> experiences, whether supposed abductions, conversions or divine
>> "Understanding why people believe weird things is important for anyone
>> who wishes to know more about people - that is, humans in general,"
>> she writes.
>> Dr. Clancy's accounting for abduction memories starts with an odd but
>> not uncommon experience called sleep paralysis. While in light
>> dream-rich REM sleep, people will in rare cases wake up for a few
>> moments and find themselves unable to move. Psychologists estimate
>> that about a fifth of people will have that experience at least once,
>> during which some 5 percent will be bathed in terrifying sensations
>> like buzzing, full-body electrical quivers, a feeling of levitation,
>> at times accompanied by hallucinations of intruders.
>> Some of them must have an explanation as exotic as the surreal nature
>> of the experience itself. Although no one has studied this group
>> systematically, Dr. Clancy suggests based on her interviews, that they
>> tend to be people who already have some interest in the paranormal,
>> mystical arts and the possibility of extraterrestrial visitors. Often
>> enough, their search for meaning lands them in the care of a therapist
>> who uses hypnotism to elicit more details of their dreamlike
>> Hypnotism is a state of deep relaxation, when people become highly
>> prone to suggestion, psychologists find. When encouraged under
>> hypnosis to imagine a vivid but entirely concocted incident - like
>> being awakened by loud noises - people are more likely later to claim
>> the scene as a real experience, studies find.
>> Where, exactly, do the green figures with the wraparound eyes come
>> from? From the deep well of pop culture, Dr. Clancy argues, based on a
>> review of the history of U.F.O. sightings, popular movies and
>> television programs on aliens. The first "abduction" in the United
>> States was dramatized in 1953, in the movie "Invaders From Mars," she
>> writes, and a rash of abduction reports followed this and other works
>> on aliens, including the television series "The Outer Limits."
>> One such report, by a couple from New Hampshire, Betty and Barney
>> Hill, followed by days a particularly evocative episode of the show in
>> 1961. Mr. Hill's description of the aliens - with big heads and shiny
>> wraparound eyes - was featured in a best-selling book about the
>> experience, and inspired the alien forms in Steven Spielberg's "Close
>> Encounters of the Third Kind" in 1977, according to Dr. Clancy.
>> Thus does life imitate art, and vice versa, in a narrative hall of
>> mirrors in which scenes and even dialogues are recycled. Although they
>> are distinct in details, abduction narratives are extremely similar in
>> broad outline and often include experimentation with a sexual or
>> procreative subtext. "Oh! And he's opening my shirt, and - he's going
>> to put that thing in my navel," says one 1970's narrative, referring
>> to a needle.
>> "I can feel them moving that thing around in my stomach, in my body,"
>> the narrative, excerpted in the book, continues. The passage echoes
>> other abduction accounts, past and future.
>> In a laboratory study in 2002, Dr. Clancy and another Harvard
>> psychologist, Richard McNally, gave self-described abductees a
>> standardized word-association test intended to measure proneness to
>> false-memory creation. The participants studied lists of words that
>> were related to one another - "sugar," "candy," "sour," "bitter" - and
>> to another word that was not on the list, in this case, "sweet."
>> When asked to recall the word lists, those with abduction memories
>> were more likely than a group of peers who had no such memories to
>> falsely recall the unlisted word. The findings suggest a
>> susceptibility to what are called source errors, misattributing
>> sources of remembered information by, say, confusing a scene from a
>> barely remembered movie with a dream.
>> In another experiment, the researchers found that recalling abduction
>> memories prompted physiological changes in blood pressure and
>> sweat-gland activity that were higher than those seen in
>> post-traumatic stress syndrome. The memories produced intense
>> emotional trauma, and each time that occurs it deepens the certainty
>> that something profound really did happen.
>> Although no one of those elements - sleep paralysis, interest in the
>> paranormal, hypnotherapy, memory tricks or emotional investment - is
>> necessary or sufficient to create abduction memories, they tend to
>> cluster together in self-described abductees, Dr. Clancy finds. "In
>> the past, researchers have tended to concentrate on one or another"
>> factor, she said in an interview. "I'm saying they all play a role."
>> Yet abduction narratives often have another, less explicit, dimension
>> that Dr. Clancy suspects may be central to their power. Consider this
>> comment, from a study participant whom Dr. Clancy calls Jan, a
>> middle-age divorcee engaged in a quest for personal understanding:
>> "You know, they do walk among us on earth. They have to transform
>> first into a physical body, which is very painful for them. But they
>> do it out of love. They are here to tell us that we're all
>> interconnected in some way. Everything is."
>> At a basic level, Dr. Clancy concludes, alien abduction stories give
>> people meaning, a way to comprehend the many odd and dispiriting
>> things that buffet any life, as well as a deep sense that they are not
>> alone in the universe. In this sense, abduction memories are like
>> transcendent religious visions, scary and yet somehow comforting and,
>> at some personal psychological level, true.
>> Dr. Clancy said she regretted not having asked the abductees she
>> interviewed about religious beliefs, which were not a part of her
>> original research. The reader may regret that, too.
>> The warmth, awe and emotion of abduction stories and of those who tell
>> them betray strong spiritual currents that will be familiar to
>> millions of people whose internal lives are animated by religious
>> When it comes to sounding the depths of alien stories, a scientific
>> inquiry like this one may have to end with an inquiry into religion. << File: ATT00000.txt >>
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