[Paleopsych] Re: on islam
shovland at mindspring.com
Sun Jul 31 04:02:23 UTC 2005
I think we need to do 3 things to reduce terrorism:
Decapitation: take out the leadership.
Uprooting: work on the real grievances of the people
Noise reduction: shut down the religious schools, or
at least change their curiculum.
From: Gerry [SMTP:waluk at earthlink.net]
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 8:48 PM
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Subject: Re: [Paleopsych] Re: on islam
A trial by jury of his peers likely will not work.
Steve Hovland wrote:
>First, we need to kill Osama.
>From: HowlBloom at aol.com [SMTP:HowlBloom at aol.com]
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>Christian--You have a point. Islam was conceived as a global, boundariless
>religion. That conception was first born in 624 AD when Allah granted
>Mohammed the right to Jihad. It expanded in 629, when Mohammed sent letters to the
>six rulers of the empires of the world that he knew inviting these emperors
>to Islam and implying that if they didn't accept the invitation, Allah and
>his forces on earth, the Moslems, would be forced to destroy them. Its message
>was emphasized in 632 AD when Mohammed, on his deathbed, ordered an attack
>on the Byzantine Empire.
>This attack, by the way, was just one of many. In ten years Mohammed
>commanded 65 military campaigns, campaigns of conquest that brought the entire Arab
>Peninsula to Islam. Mohammed fought in 27 of those campaigns himself,
>slicing and killing other humans. Which is why he is called a prophet of the
>sword. And why it is said in the Koran that paradise can only be achieved "in
>the shadow of swords".
>But the fact remains that this is a rapidly globalizing world, a world that
>cries out both for and against a central order. Mohammed invented the creed
>for such an order, and the world of Islam has refined it during 1,290 years
>of operation under a central caliphate. Now men like Osama want to revive
>that "new world order", that global caliphate. As many of Osama's supporters
>and predecessors have said, the time is ripe for such a thing.
>I hope that we Westerners offer a more appealing alternative. Howard
>In a message dated 7/30/2005 2:20:49 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>christian.rauh at uconn.edu writes:
>Some argue that the great achievements of the Arab world were really
>pre-islamic and that islam put a break on innovation which was center to
>middle eastern culture before it. Things still were good for a while but
>that was only some inertia from the old times as it took centuries to
>change things in those days. Islamic religion changed the
>characteristics of that culture (or culture groups) from decentralized
>and autonomous to centralized and controlled. The first seemed to be a
>better option for progress. What is striking to me is that the US seems
>to be going the same way - in a counter-"terrorist" movement with
>islamic roots, this country is absorbing the worst features of its "enemy".
>As a disclaimer, I know little about Islam, the above is from what I've
>heard. Anyone with better knowledge should point erros and elucidate.
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