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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----
<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title=waluk@earthlink.net href="mailto:waluk@earthlink.net">Geraldine
Reinhardt</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=paleopsych@paleopsych.org
href="mailto:paleopsych@paleopsych.org">paleopsych@paleopsych.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=bigbangtango@yahoogroups.com
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<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, October 10, 2004 11:36 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [bigbangtango] Slowly Slicing The Violence Out of
War</DIV></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Rob and Howard,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I think both of you present succinct and clearly
defined arguments not unlike what we see and hear from American's two
presidential candidates Bush and Kerry. Howard, not unlike Bush, believes
in laissez-faire style capitalism while Rob offers a somewhat softer, gentler
picture that Kerry also presents i.e. stressing the importance of
universal health care paid for by taxing the wealthy 2% in our nation, retaining
jobs in the USA, assisting the disenfranchised, protecting our environment
etc. Classic liberals like Howard (and really not unlike Bush) differ from
modern liberals such as Kerry in that the ultimate result would be the
deindustrialization of the West. Whether or not that brings about the
disintegration of <ST1:COUNTRY-REGION w:st="on"><ST1:PLACE w:st="on">America is
a strong issue that must be addressed. My guess is that China is off to a
running start and will be impossible to overtake. Besides, why do we need
retain topdog status when a softer, gentler stance seems to be what many
Americans now wish. </ST1:PLACE></ST1:COUNTRY-REGION></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><ST1:COUNTRY-REGION w:st="on"><ST1:PLACE
w:st="on"></ST1:PLACE></ST1:COUNTRY-REGION></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><ST1:COUNTRY-REGION w:st="on"><ST1:PLACE
w:st="on">Best wishes,</ST1:PLACE></ST1:COUNTRY-REGION></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><ST1:COUNTRY-REGION w:st="on"><ST1:PLACE
w:st="on">Gerry Reinhardt</ST1:PLACE></ST1:COUNTRY-REGION></FONT></DIV>
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<A title=robkrit@yahoo.com href="mailto:robkrit@yahoo.com">Rob Kritkausky</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=bigbangtango@yahoogroups.com
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<A title=paleopsych@paleopsych.org
href="mailto:paleopsych@paleopsych.org">paleopsych@paleopsych.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=bigbangtango@yahoogroups.com
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, October 08, 2004 1:58
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [bigbangtango] Slowly
Slicing The Violence Out of War</DIV>
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<DIV>Howard:</DIV>
<DIV>Thanks for the excellent editorial. While I enjoyed your analysis,
I must admit it left me feeling rather malnourished.... even cheated. I
fear the public(you ...me all of us) have been happily thinking on a diet made
up almost entirely of the junk food that the media has been
preparing for us daily. I fear this type of big picture,
politically detached, data driven thinking you are serving here, may no longer
be relished by a large segment of the population. We are being
fed a most unhealthy diet.......information is expected to come processed,
slanted, sweetened or spiced up.. The objective communication/description of
events (news) is currently exceedingly rare and in fact, come to think of
it, I don't even think objectivity to be a goal of the media these
days. </DIV>
<DIV>All that being said....I loved the piece, but don't be surprised if it
keeps getting sent back. "Excuse me, I ordered my information
spun and could you sugar coat it a little for me?"</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Regards:</DIV>
<DIV>Rob Kritkausky<BR><BR><B><I>howlbloom@aol.com</I></B> wrote:</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0.5in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt">“It
is saddening to tell you that you are the worst civilization<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>witnessed by the history of
mankind:<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You are the nation
who, rather than ruling by the Shariah of Allah<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>in its Constitution and Laws, choose
to invent your own laws.”<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Osama bin Laden explaining to Americans why they are Satanic, Message
To the Ummah May 12, 2004<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt">Western
Civilization gives the right to do it your self, diy, the right to
create—the right to create new movements, the right to create new
artforms, the right to create our own constitutions, laws, theories, and
beliefs. Osama wants to take all that away.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt">Every
pecking order battle between groups is a battle between hypotheses in the
mass mind—guesses about the best way to do things. Osama’s guess, his
hypothesis, has been tried out in Sudan and Afghanistan. Its result is a
living nightmare.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt">Margaret
Mead said that every primitive, indigenous tribe in the early days of man
forbade the murder of human beings. The problem was the definition of a
human. The name of our tribe meant we were humans. Everyone from another
tribe wasn’t human at all. he or she was fair game. In early tribes like
these, said Mead, the number of “humans” whose lives were sacred was
only 50 to 75. The rest of the earth's population was a legitimate target
for murder. But today, Mead pointed out, the number a single society says
“thou shalt not kill” is much, much greater. In India and China your
fellow tribe members, your fellow human beings, your fellow Indians or
Chinese, your brethren who you’re not supposed to kill, is 1.2
billion.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt">Two
anthropologists, William Divale and Marvin Harris, combed through data from
561 primi­tive tribes and discovered that 21% of the males were killed
off violently before they ended adolescence. One out of every five men in
these primitive, indigenous tribes died in skirmishes and war. The
percentage of the slaughtered skyrockets if you include the women and
children wiped out by indigenous peoples like the South American Taulipang,
who burned dozens of families in their huts, loved the screams of pain
inside, then marched home shouting a joyous "hei-hei-hei-hei-hei!"[i]
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt">If
our techno-modern society killed at the old tribal rate, roughly 720 million
modern humans would be blasted to smithereens in wars or homicides every
generation. Compare this with the 55 million who died in WWII, and the
bloodlettings of the last hundred years, are less than one-tenth of what
they'd amount to under tribal or hunter-gatherer ways.
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt">Much
as many of us hate Donald Rumsfeld, Rumsfeld tried to invent a new form of
humanitarian war in Iraq. He tried to achieve it with smart bombs and with
missiles that could jet down the street, turn a corner, and go directly into
the room where a military group was hiding out. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt">Total
American deaths in Iraq now total 1,100. Civilian deaths come to a maximum
of 13,603 . The total deaths in a regional conflict of this sort 150 years
ago, the Crimean War of 1853 to 1856, came to 615,378.[ii] For every 41
people killed in the Crimean War, the Iraq War has killed only one.
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt">The
war in Iraq is grisly, ghastly, and deplorable. But for all practical
purposes, the War In Iraq has saved 600,000 lives. That is a huge reduction
in violence.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt">Compare
the deaths in the current Iraq War, revolting as it is, to deaths in the war
that dragged on between Iraq and Iran from 1980 to 1988. That war lasted
eight years and cost more than a million lives.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt">Or
compare this to a total of a million deaths every year worldwide in car
accidents. Or compare it with the deaths worldwide each year caused by
cigarette smoking, which total about 5 million[iii]. Every death is horrible
and every war is deplorable. But thanks to industrialism, capitalism,
technology, cultural advances, the spread of western values, and thanks to
what some of us call cultural imperialism, we are making
progress.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt">There’s
an unspoken moral imperative to capitalism. It says to those who practice
it, “save thy neighbor”. Save her with a delight. Save her with a moment
of joy. Save her by taking her out of herself for a minute, an hour, or a
day. Save her by giving her new powers. Save her by giving her new comforts
and new consolations. Save one neighbor and you make a dollar. Save a
thousand neighbors and you can make a thousand dollars. Save ten million
folks you’ve never seen, folks who are your neighbors on this planet, and
you can make ten million dollars.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt">If
you forget that your mission is to understand your neighbor’s needs and
serve them, you will go home empty at the end of the day. You’ll wonder
why you’re among the mass of men who lead lives of quiet desperation, why
you’re among the hollow men, heads filled with straw, trudging without
purpose through life. Save your fellow human beings with what we call
products and services and you can go home knowing that someone needed you
today. You can go home knowing that you were a part of something far, far
greater than yourself—the advancement of others. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoBodyText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT
face="Courier New">And perhaps you were even a part of something that Osama
deplores and we should celebrate-- the handmade evolution of the human race.
</FONT></P></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT lang=0 face=Arial size=2 PTSIZE="10"
FAMILY="SANSSERIF">----------<BR>Howard Bloom<BR>Author of The Lucifer
Principle: A Scientific Expedition Into the Forces of History and Global
Brain: The Evolution of Mass Mind From The Big Bang to the 21st
Century<BR>Visiting Scholar-Graduate Psychology Department, New York
University; Core Faculty Member, The Graduate
Institute<BR>www.howardbloom.net<BR>www.bigbangtango.net<BR>Founder:
International Paleopsychology Project; founding board member: Epic of
Evolution Society; founding board member, The Darwin Project; founder: The
Big Bang Tango Media Lab; member: New York Academy of Sciences, American
Association for the Advancement of Science, American Psychological Society,
Academy of Political Science, Human Behavior and Evolution Society,
International Society for Human Ethology; advisory board member:
Youthactivism.org; executive editor -- New Paradigm book series.<BR>For
information on The International Paleopsychology Project, see:
www.paleopsych.org<BR>for two chapters from <BR>The Lucifer Principle: A
Scientific Expedition Into the Forces of History, see
www.howardbloom.net/lucifer<BR>For information on Global Brain: The
Evolution of Mass Mind from the Big Bang to the 21st Century, see
www.howardbloom.net<BR></FONT></DIV><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></DIV><BR><BR>
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