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This is utter nonsense. What you are reading up on is the rantings of
the far left, a source that has never been right about anything. Dems
and Repubs can and should join together. Clinton's genius was working
with republicans and co-opting some of their ideas. Centrists have a
potential for doing good, and both sides can contribute, but not if
there is nothing but hate speech and attribution of false motives.<br>
<br>
Steve Hovland wrote:<br>
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cite="mid01C4D19C.6AC56040.shovland@mindspring.com">
<pre wrap="">The Republicans are pursuing Social Darwinism.
If you read up you will find that they are intent
on destroying the social safety net that has been
built starting with the New Deal.</pre>
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Welfare has been pared back and more people are working.<br>
Social security will run out of money, and the ownership notion may be
a way to salvage it.<br>
HSAs have the potential to introduce responsible decision making into
runaway medical costs.<br>
There are some good ideas these days coming from the neocons, and
moderate dems can work with those to create a more just society.The
danger is that the liberals have become the reactionaries, saying don't
change programs even though they don't work. <br>
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cite="mid01C4D19C.6AC56040.shovland@mindspring.com">
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The negligible difference between the Repubs
and Dems probably indicates that they need to
merge and that a new populist party needs to
be formed.
Steve Hovland
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.stevehovland.net">www.stevehovland.net</a>
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From: Geraldine Reinhardt [<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:SMTP:waluk@earthlink.net">SMTP:waluk@earthlink.net</a>]
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 7:32 PM
To: The new improved paleopsych list
Subject: Re: [Paleopsych] GOP and dems
I've been following this thread and what occurs to me
is why cannot the Dems join with the GOP in pursuit of
social justice?
That way, votes will not be split and everyone can
re-align and form a common whole. The differences in
America between the two parties has become fairly
negligible.
Regards,
Gerry Reinhart-Waller
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From: "Steve Hovland" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:shovland@mindspring.com"><shovland@mindspring.com></a>
To: "'The new improved paleopsych list'"
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Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 10:27 AM
Subject: RE: [Paleopsych] GOP and dems
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<pre wrap="">I think the Dems have to reassert certain
positions like social justice, not move to
the right.
The real task is to capture just a few
percent of the swing voters.
Steve Hovland
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.stevehovland.net">www.stevehovland.net</a>
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From: Michael Christopher
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Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 10:18 AM
To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:paleopsych@paleopsych.org">paleopsych@paleopsych.org</a>
Subject: [Paleopsych] GOP and dems
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<pre wrap="">Insightful analysis, I enjoyed it. Sort of a
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<pre wrap="">Peter Principle, where we rise until we are
incompetent and then stay there.<<
--Good insight. When Peter's boss likes Peter because
he never questions the system, Peter's incompetence
is
even more likely to be accepted and spun as success.
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<pre wrap="">Demos have to get away from the far-left litmus
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<pre wrap="">tests and run another centrist.<<
--I'm not sure how much further to the right the Dems
can get before they become clones of the GOP. They
have backed down on gay marriage and gun control,
squeezed out the anti-war pacifists (Kerry is not
anti-war, he only questioned the BUSH'S war
policy)...
What else can they back down on and still have
anything to offer that isn't offered by the GOP?
I think it's pure spin that makes Kerry seem like a
"fringe liberal" (claims that he's the "most liberal"
senator have been debunked). Look at Kucinich, a REAL
liberal, he didn't do well at all. Dean didn't do
well
either. Kerry was about as close to the center as
Democrats could get without becoming another
Republican party.
Michael
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