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<pre wrap="">So are you willing to accept free access
to condoms for 12 year olds, and access
to abortion if the condoms fail?
Steve Hovland
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.stevehovland.net">www.stevehovland.net</a>
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From: Lynn D. Johnson, Ph.D. [<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:SMTP:ljohnson@solution-consulting.com">SMTP:ljohnson@solution-consulting.com</a>]
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 9:17 AM
To: The new improved paleopsych list
Subject: Re: [Paleopsych] Tom Coburn on abortion
Good c omments, Steve, except for the last paragraph. There is no study
I am aware of that suggests that 'science based sex education' will
prevent unwanted pregnancies. Can you find one?
What evidence I am aware of suggests that values-based education -
"indoctrination" - does help substantially. Look at Uganda's experience
for an example, when the ABC model did appear to reduce AIDS. Programs
without the AB part seem to have a track record of failure (there are
informal AB components going on in Brasil & Jamaica if those are your
counter examples). If you can find an actual study to the contrary, I am
open.
We might conclude that both Right and Left have substantial blind spots
when it comes to abortion. While the Right may balk at the C component,
liberals I am personally acquainted with seem horrified by the AB
components.
LJ
Steve Hovland wrote:
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<pre wrap="">A lot of us on the left don't think abortion is
a good idea.
Anyone who knows a woman who has had
an abortion knows that she pays an emotional
price for it.
But we also know that women do make that
decision, and we don't think it is moral for
them to be forced to go to dangerous
back-alley abortionists when they do make
that decision.
The right needs to get in touch with reality
about the actual sexual behavior of people
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<pre wrap=""><!---->>from the age of 12 and up, and stop
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<pre wrap="">opposing the science-based sex education
that would help prevent unwanted pregnancies..
Steve Hovland
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.stevehovland.net">www.stevehovland.net</a>
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From: Lynn D. Johnson, Ph.D. [<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:SMTP:ljohnson@solution-consulting.com">SMTP:ljohnson@solution-consulting.com</a>]
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 6:25 AM
To: The new improved paleopsych list
Subject: Re: [Paleopsych] Tom Coburn on abortion
Michael,
You are correct. I tried <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.news.google.com">www.news.google.com</a> (I use news.google because
I want actual news stories and not internet rumors) and I found one
story from Oklahoma (Fox news) where they reported that. I did find a
lot of secondary sources with the term "death penalty" but only that one
primary source. Ironically he did perform two abortions himself in his
medical career:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.fox23.com/news/state/story.aspx?content_id=BF956298-934E-4B30-B9D3-DC274E134AF4">http://www.fox23.com/news/state/story.aspx?content_id=BF956298-934E-4B30-B9D3-DC274E134AF4</a>
I agree with you. His position is thoughtless. Such violent speech must
be opposed. I am personally repelled by abortion, but the right way to
deal with that is education and persuasion about better alternatives.
Violence is never the way. I plan to write to him and ask him to
moderate his views - using persuasion and reason again.
I was doubtful because his profession - physician - should have taught
him to do no harm. But that is certainly no guarantee of reason.
Lynn
Michael Christopher wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Michael, this is a questionable report. I just
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<pre wrap="">did a Yahoo News search for the terms:
Tom Coburn Oklahoma abortion capital punishment
No returns.<<
--Try Google (lots of matches). I'd give you a source,
but you'd have to tell me which sources you'd trust
first, so I don't waste my time only to hear "Well,
that's a liberal source, so I don't trust it". I've
learned to ask that question first, to avoid the
typical response.
Michael
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