<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; ">I don't have any statistics, but my guess is that boys quite often compete with their fathers, not nedessarily with such a miserable result as in this case.<DIV>However, what I find so fascinating is the privatizing of a task. In Mailer's "The naked and the death" a general is asking for support by destroyers with the thought of what impact this operation would make on the military staff ratgher than that it would be a successful attempt to defeat the Japanese on the island in question. Another—real life—example. An American collegue and good friend of mine, unfortunately dead by now, decided not to continue with his sttudies in math because he realized he would not become famous and remembered this way. so he switched to psychology (which proved to be the right thing to do from this particular perspective).</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR><DIV><DIV>17 jan 2006 kl. 00.37 skrev Steve Hovland:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"> <DIV><SPAN class="227273623-16012006"><FONT face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">If true, he has failed miserably.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class="227273623-16012006"><FONT face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2"></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class="227273623-16012006"><FONT face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">Is that often true? Boys wanting to show</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class="227273623-16012006"><FONT face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">their father how smart they are and making</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class="227273623-16012006"><FONT face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">a mess instead?</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class="227273623-16012006"><FONT face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2"></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class="227273623-16012006"></SPAN> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir="ltr" style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV class="OutlookMessageHeader" dir="ltr" align="left"><FONT face="Tahoma" size="2">-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> paleopsych-bounces@paleopsych.org [<A href="mailto:paleopsych-bounces@paleopsych.org">mailto:paleopsych-bounces@paleopsych.org</A>]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Hannes Eisler<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January 16, 2006 9:15 AM<BR><B>To:</B> The new improved paleopsych list<BR><B>Cc:</B> Anna Eisler<BR><B>Subject:</B> [Paleopsych] Bush's real motive<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><SPAN class="Apple-style-span">There has been quite a discussion about Bush's true incentives to start the war in Iraq. I am surprised that what I consider his real main motive has never been mentioned, as far as I know. It is that he wanted to <SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="TEXT-DECORATION: underline">surpass his father</SPAN> who did not dare to invade Iraq. As a European I have sometimes wondered about US motives being family reasons, intending to please parents or wives or boost the pride of children, rather than the objective ones. In American literature I remember my astonishment about two examples : the policeman or superintendent trying to stop the fight between the two groups of hooligans in "West side story," stating some private motive, and an officer at the landing in Normandy at the end of WW2 in Irwin Shaw*s " The young lions" who, armed with a private gun with ivory handle, bragged about which impression he will make on his wife (or was it his parents?). <DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT style="FONT: 12px Helvetica" face="Helvetica" size="3">-------------------------------------</FONT></DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT style="FONT: 12px Helvetica" face="Helvetica" size="3">Prof. Hannes Eisler</FONT></DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT style="FONT: 12px Helvetica" face="Helvetica" size="3">Department of Psychology</FONT></DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT style="FONT: 12px Helvetica" face="Helvetica" size="3">Stockholm University</FONT></DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT style="FONT: 12px Helvetica" face="Helvetica" size="3">S-106 91 Stockholm</FONT></DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT style="FONT: 12px Helvetica" face="Helvetica" size="3">Sweden</FONT></DIV> <DIV style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 12px Helvetica"><BR></DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT style="FONT: 12px Helvetica" face="Helvetica" size="3">e-mail: <SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"></SPAN><A href="mailto:he@psychology.su.se">he@psychology.su.se</A></FONT></DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT style="FONT: 12px Helvetica" face="Helvetica" size="3">fax <SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"></SPAN>: <SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"></SPAN>+46-8-15 93 42</FONT></DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT style="FONT: 12px Helvetica" face="Helvetica" size="3">phone : <SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"></SPAN>+46-8-163967 (university)</FONT></DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT style="FONT: 12px Helvetica" face="Helvetica" size="3"><SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"></SPAN>+46-8-6409982 (home)</FONT></DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT style="FONT: 12px Helvetica" face="Helvetica" size="3">internet: <A href="http://www.psychology.su.se/staff/he">http://www.psychology.su.se/staff/he</A></FONT></DIV></DIV></SPAN></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">_______________________________________________</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">paleopsych mailing list</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A href="mailto:paleopsych@paleopsych.org">paleopsych@paleopsych.org</A></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A href="http://lists.paleopsych.org/mailman/listinfo/paleopsych">http://lists.paleopsych.org/mailman/listinfo/paleopsych</A></DIV> </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><DIV> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; min-height: 14.0px"><BR></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">-------------------------------------</FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">Prof. Hannes Eisler</FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">Department of Psychology</FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">Stockholm University</FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">S-106 91 Stockholm</FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">Sweden</FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica; min-height: 14.0px"><BR></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">e-mail: <SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN><A href="mailto:he@psychology.su.se">he@psychology.su.se</A></FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">fax <SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>: <SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>+46-8-15 93 42</FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">phone : <SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>+46-8-163967 (university)</FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica"><SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>+46-8-6409982 (home)</FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">internet: <A href="http://www.psychology.su.se/staff/he">http://www.psychology.su.se/staff/he</A></FONT></P> </DIV><BR></DIV></BODY></HTML>