[extropy-chat] War of Ideology

Samantha Atkins sjatkins at gmail.com
Tue Aug 10 07:47:20 UTC 2004

Sure, if that was remotely what was going on and what is at the root
of our troubles.    We have torn hell out of the Middle East and
supported those who have oppressed the people to this day.  It would
be a mark of insanity if a tremendous number of persons in that part
of the world were not righteously pissed.    Religion is not the real
question.  Do you think you will get relatively wacky religion to
lessen in strength if the supposed voice for rationality and
secularism is sending in evangelists to convert you to its God while
plundering your country and oppressing your people?   If we really
want culture change this is diametrically opposite the way to acheive
it.   If you want endless anger and striking out any way they can
including terrorism then we are doing exactly the right thing.    If
you want to incite enough terrorism to justify bulldozing the rest of
the land then we are doing the right thing.

- samantha

On Mon, 2 Aug 2004 14:47:39 -0400, Bret Kulakovich
<bret at bonfireproductions.com> wrote:
> Not to beat a dead thread, but -
> I had a room mate once, who was incredibly neat and well organized.
> Yes, some people would call him a "neat-freak" or even
> "super-anal-retentive" This wasn't an Odd Couple scenario, with me
> being a slob, but I wasn't as highly structured. From time to time we
> made each other crazy.
> So my question is : Who was right?
> I heard of an academic expert speaking on Isalm, of course talking the
> sense of it being a religion of peace and the like. The quote that
> stuck with me, was something along the lines of the "problem" is
> radical interpretations of Islamic law, and that most of history
> involving Islam revolves around a small minority.
> I tend to keep with the old "Your right to throw a punch ends at my
> face" Heinleinian angle.
> But if we have a group that wants to create "the perfect Islamic
> nation-state", and are constantly looking to increase their
> square-footage, are we not having an ideological conflict? I think that
> blaming partisan politics, soviet-era US backing, coddling Israel, and
> all other catch phrases, are failing to acknowledge the fact that this
> does seem to be an ideological problem...?
> On Jul 28, 2004, at 12:55 PM, Adrian Tymes wrote:
> > --- Samantha Atkins <sjatkins at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> But to now posit an
> >> ideological war as being largely the "why" of
> >> terrorism and hardly
> >> bothering to mention US polcies fueling anger
> >> throughout the region
> >> says that this Commission was a political puppet of
> >> the current
> >> adminstration with no credibility whatsoever.
> >
> > Oh, they mention the policies.  That's part of the
> > source of the ideological war.  But whatever the
> > cause, the result is still the result - and merely
> > removing the cause won't necessarily fix everything
> > (even if it would help a lot).
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