[extropy-chat] Reason Magazine Online on TransVision 2004

natashavita at earthlink.net natashavita at earthlink.net
Fri Aug 13 14:03:28 UTC 2004

Not a bad article.  BUT frankly, I had no intention of talking about
cosmetic surgery as it had no relevance to posthuman entities.

This guy needs a good lesson in moving beyond transhuman 20th Century
technology to learning how to think about designing posthumans.  

I think I better give him a phone call this weekend or email to set him


Original Message:
From: Adrian Tymes wingcat at pacbell.net
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 14:09:43 -0700 (PDT)
To: extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org
Subject: RE: [extropy-chat] Reason Magazine Online on TransVision 2004

--- "Reason ." <reason at longevitymeme.org> wrote:
> Here's another one from a chap who, I feel, totally
> misses the point of the exercise - wearing the arts
> blinders and blundering through reality...
> http://www.bmezine.com/news/pubring/20040812.html

I had the opposite reaction to his article.  He's
arguing that we should be doing more doing and less
talking - to him, we're the ones wearing the blinders
and blundering.  And then there's this:

> Scientists need to embrace the reality of human
> interaction and start to include marketing as an
> important part of transhumanist dialog.  Body
> modification for example is successful not just
> because it's "right", but also because it's cool and
> accessible.

"Memetic engineering" overlaps "marketing" so much
that the two could arguably be called almost one and
the same, just different takes on the same idea.  We
do not envision, say, augmented reality getting in
the way of reality with a mass of mundane problems -
interference with the existing social uses of the eyes
chief among them - and yet this is one of the things
keeping this idea from being accepted.  It, itself, is
a problem that needs solving, and altering or limiting
the users isn't a viable solution (in fact, the
requirement for said alterations or limits is a large
part of the problem).
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