[extropy-chat] SUV versus sedan versus motorcycle

RobKPO trichrom at optusnet.com.au
Fri Aug 20 11:58:52 UTC 2004

....except that the car is the most efficiant design to transport a family
unit (that industry makes available), which is the whole point of the

SUV's are specialied vehicles and not best suited to public roads due to the
inefficiancies introduced by the specilisation designed into them. Not to
mention the other issues' of crash safety, reduced visibility on the road
for non-4WD's user's, increased damage to road's, etc, these things clearly
make SUV's vehicles not suited to 'general' use on public roads.

Efficiancy should be the point - and to achieve this, an individual's fear
of survivabillity on the road shouldn't be reason to let the system be
imbalanced. I'd say learn to properly drive the most efficiant vehicle for
the environment, and increase situational awareness and defensive driving

I think they should be left in the garage unless being driven to of from 4WD
activities offroad/coastal, and if you cannot afford two vehicles, then
perhaps that 'interest' in non efficient system's is draining that extra


----- Original Message ----- 
From: J. Andrew Rogers
To: ExI chat list
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 7:05 AM
Subject: [extropy-chat] SUV versus sedan versus motorcycle

Let us put this topic another way, because some of the perspectives
being applied are far too narrow:

Should we ban or penalize sedan drivers because they are a clear
asymmetric hazard to motorcyclists?  Most cars never have more than one
person in them and are typically used just to move between two points,
so why not a motorcycle, which gets better gas mileage to boot?  I see
idiots in sedans nearly run into motorcyclists all the time, acting like
they own the road.  And a motorcyle can take a corner at speeds that
would roll a car.  We could clearly do with having far fewer cars on the
road and more motorcycles, and imagine all the parking space that would
free up.

This is no more or less specious an argument than much of the SUV versus
sedan argument.  You can relabel "SUV" to "sedan" and "sedan" to
"motorcycle", and essentially apply the same arguments with similar

Hopefully this makes the real calculus more apparent; most people seem
to be arguing from personal preference or ideology rather than
addressing the underlying calculus of personal transportation choices.

j. andrew rogers

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