[extropy-chat] Futurist priorities was ex-tropical

[Kevin Freels]

Avantguardian said:
  We need to find a way to develop a closed loop ecological/economic model that can merge seamlessly with the world economy and the environment in such a way that radical changes to each are kept to a minimum. This can theoretically be done because nature has been doing such a thing for billions of years.

  Kevin says"This would be nice. There's only one problem. The people. In order to get any closed loop system together, it requires people that all work for the common good. It's not really in our nature. Nature has done no such thing. Radical changes are the norm on mother Earth. Life expands until it can't any longer. At that point, it stabilizes and then eventually collapses. 


  Nature wastes nothing while man's modern consumer economy is based on waste. 

  Much is wasted with nature. Look at all the deaths caused by "natural causes". Nature is not a person who can choose to waste or not. All the stuff on the planet is nature. Obviously it can't waste itself. But every part of nature doesn;t use or rely on every other part. I guess it is simply a matter of what you call a "waste". To me, Oxygen is terrific, but to organisms 500 million years ago, it was quite toxic. Many specis had to die off for that one. Would that be a waste? Granted, 500 million years later, we rely on it, so you could argue that the Oxygen "waste" was re-used, but then you would also have to wait 500 million years to see what becomes of our disposable razors....:-) 
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