[extropy-chat] Enlightenment and the election

Mike Lorrey mlorrey at yahoo.com
Wed Nov 10 15:38:06 UTC 2004


Bogus. I was at the polls, I saw how swamped registrars were
everywhere, and overloaded in some areas, far beyond their experience
or ability to cope.

--- Emlyn <emlynoregan at gmail.com> wrote:

> btw
> 
>  Voter turnout in Tuesday's election unlikely to have been higher
> than in 2000 
> Andrea Lynn, Humanities Editor
> University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign 
> 
> 11/3/04 
> 
> CHAMPAIGN, Ill. - Despite the widespread assumption that voter
> turnout
> was substantially higher in the 2004 presidential election than it
> was
> in the 2000 election, "the numbers suggest a different story," says
> Scott Althaus, a professor of speech communication and political
> science at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign who
> conducts
> research on the effects of presidential campaigns.
> 
> etc
> 
> http://www.infoshop.org/inews/stories.php?story=04/11/04/3548414
> 
> 
> On Tue, 9 Nov 2004 17:41:56 -0800, J. Andrew Rogers
> <andrew at ceruleansystems.com> wrote:
> > Brent Neal wrote:
> > > You know, if the smart folks tend to preferentially vote for
> someone,
> > > I'd consider that carefully.  Even though our status as educated
> seems
> > > to attract disdain from you, my experience is that we tend to
> think
> > > more about our own choices, and not what our preacher tells us to
> do.
> > 
> > 
> > There is no evidence in this particular election that the smart
> folks
> > preferentially voted any one way.  Most self-described big city
> liberals
> > are as provincial and poorly educated as your average flyover
> country
> > resident, they just choose to let their ignorance shine in
> different
> > areas, and tend to believe in the myth of their intellectual skills
> a
> > little more.  Just because you like a different flavor of Kool-Aid
> does
> > not change the fact that you are still drinking Kool-Aid.  There is
> no
> > shortage of tools and frauds on both sides, and being trendy or
> > fashionable is not an indication of credibility.
> > 
> > In practice, blue state folks are just as ignorant of science,
> > mathematics, and culture as red state folks.  They just specialize
> in
> > different sub-areas when it comes to ignorance.  If you do not
> recognize
> > this (no matter which side you claim to be on), then you are
> precisely
> > the type of person I am talking about.
> > 
> > I do find that some stereotypes tend to be true.  Red-Staters tend
> to be
> > historians and tend to view things in a historical context, whereas
> I
> > find that most Blue-Staters have an appalling lack of knowledge of
> > history.  Blue-Staters tend to be more ethnically worldly than
> > Red-Staters, though not to the extent that many Blue-Staters appear
> to
> > believe.  Red-Staters are more religious on average, but not that
> much
> > and not in any way that makes a difference, since Blue-Staters have
> > their own quasi-religious belief systems that Red-Staters generally
> do
> > not share.
> > 
> > I tend to find the religious right-wing more tolerable than the
> > "intellectual" left-wing in that the religious right does not try
> to
> > make any claim as to the superiority of their own brain power as
> > individuals (that is reserved for god), whereas I've found that the
> > intellectual left tends to take the superiority of their thinking
> skills
> > and knowledge to be axiomatic (and hence whatever garbage may
> result
> > from it).  Appeals to god are so much cleaner and pleasant in
> comparison.
> > 
> > I don't really fall under either side, and have lived in both
> "parts" of
> > the country most of my life.  Claiming clear intellectual
> superiority
> > for team you voted for is hubris born of ignorance.
> > 
> > 
> > j. andrew rogers
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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> 
> -- 
> Emlyn
> 
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=====
Mike Lorrey
Vice-Chair, 2nd District, Libertarian Party of NH
"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom.
It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves."
                                      -William Pitt (1759-1806) 
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