[extropy-chat] Rand

[Samantha Atkins]

This is psychologizing and ad-hominem with a long handle.  It has no 
place here.  Please constrain yourself to arguing for what you believe 
is so and against what you believe isn't without attempting to shift the 
discussion to the motives or life histories etc. of those who disagree 
with you.   These are other people, not bugs for you to take apart in 
your implied superiority.   This sort of tactic sucks.


- samantha


Al Brooks wrote:

>No question about it.
>i'm over the quota for posts yet when someone responds
>kindly, it's polite to respond back ASAP. Libertarians
>used to be on this list (heavens to Betsy, where did
>they go?), and for such sharp people-- such as Mike
>Lorrey who appears to be a polymath-- to be so
>exercised arouses my curiosity as to what provoked
>them to become almost hysterically antigovernment.
>Were they severely penalized by Internal Revenue?  Did
>many of them work previously for the state- only to
>flip when they saw too much? 
>They are as militant in their own way as Communists,
>leading me to wonder what makes them tick.
>
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>>Walter_Chen at compal.com wrote:
>>Rand's absolute Objectivism is just at the one
>>extreme of life.
>>Of course, the other extreme is the subjectivism.
>>It's better to be at the middle way to see the
>>world.
>>This world includes everything, not just one
>>extreme.
>> 
>>Thanks.
>> 
>>Walter.
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>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: extropy-chat-bounces at lists.extropy.org
>>[mailto:extropy-chat-bounces at lists.extropy.org] On
>>Behalf Of Al Brooks
>>Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 3:20 AM
>>To: ExI chat list
>>Subject: Re: [extropy-chat] Rand
>>
>>
>>The Randians may be 'playing dumb'. Over & over
>>again I've had
>>communications - or lack thereof- with coy
>>respondents. What Randians appear
>>to be saying is, to paraphrase a conservative
>>dictum, 'that which is not
>>unambigiously conservative tends to erode towards
>>something else'. In the
>>case of Randians, they might be saying, 'that which
>>is not pro- free market
>>and work ethic tends to erode towards command
>>economics and evasion of
>>responsibilities', and this is clear &
>>understandable; however when Randians
>>act like martinets, even if they are merely putting
>>on an act,  they can
>>only hope to snare those who are susceptible to
>>rope-a-dope rhetoric. 
>> 
>> 
>>John K Clark <jonkc at att.net> wrote:[...] they just
>>quoted Ayn Rand back at
>>me as if what she said was more important than
>>Bell's experiment or Godel. I
>>said a lot of stuff they didn't like very much but
>>then I said something
>>that made the howls of
>>protest reach a crescendo and they looked for the
>>tar and feathers. The
>>dreadful blasphemy I dared to utter is this:
>>
>>"We've suspected for 80 years and known with
>>certainty for nearly 40 that
>>some events have no cause and are random.
>>I mean, I liked Atlas Shrugged as much as anyone but
>>if Ayn Rand tells me
>>one thing and experiment tells me another it's no
>>contest; I'm a rational
>>man so I have to go with experiment."
>>
>>I don't believe I will go back there.
>>
>>John K Clark jonkc at att.net
>>
>>
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