[extropy-chat] EU: What is going wrong?

[Patrick Wilken]

On 20 Nov 2004, at 13:36, Mike Lorrey wrote:

> Nope. They're bombing synagogues, assaulting jews, and marching to
> demand sharia across europe. Sounds to me like muslim values are what
> they are after...

Is there any moderation on this list? If I were to say that the US 
South is full of rednecks wanting to lynch blacks I would be bombarded 
with hate mail, but Mike can say that Islamic immigrants in Europe are 
full of hate, bombing synagogues etc. and that's OK.

A few simple facts: I live just outside Berlin. Berlin has the largest 
Turkish population of any city outside of Ankara. This population moved 
to Berlin not recently but in the 1960s. I work with a guy who recently 
became one of the youngest neuroscience professors in the country. Not 
bad for a guy who's family were poor Turkish immigrants in the sixties. 
He got married last week and had a secular wedding, because like many 
Europeans he's not religious.

Mike I don't know if you have ever been outside of the US, but 
certainly if I was jewish I would not be frightened of walking the 
streets of Berlin because of the Turks. Its the ultra-right-wing white 
nationalists that exist in relatively small numbers that are a real 
danger.

And there is no widespread movement to institute Sharia in Europe. 
That's just a ridiculous comment.

Europe does have real problems learning to deal with immigrants from 
non-European countries. I think that's something that Australians, 
Canadians and Americans and others from immigrant countries probably 
have a lot of difficulty understanding.

best, patrick