[extropy-chat] Bush wants another $75 billion for wars

[Brian Lee]

Sorry, your post seemed a little "These people are stupid and so is Bush".

I guess you haven't seen the fetish sites I've seen :) 100,000 isn't that 
large of a post amount.

A site that a friend of mine visits (not me of course) just hit it's 
10,000,000th post in just under a few years.

BAL

>From: "Sean Diggins " <sean at valuationpartners.com.au>
>To: "'ExI chat list'" <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>
>Subject: RE: [extropy-chat] Bush wants another $75 billion for wars
>Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 23:51:24 +0800
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: extropy-chat-bounces at lists.extropy.org
>[mailto:extropy-chat-bounces at lists.extropy.org] On Behalf Of Brian Lee
> >
> >The third link above is easily the busiest bulletin board I have ever 
>seen
> >on the web, by several orders of magnitude. A cursory read through the
> >posts
> >gives the reader a good idea of Bush's prime constituency beyond the 
>large
> >corporate and small business demographics.
> >
> >Sean
>
>Come on man, I know it's nice to think about how much better you are than
>the "Rapture Ready" people, but this is like posting some links to fetish
>bulliten boards and then saying that it is a prime example of Bush's
>constituency.
>
>-----------------------------
>You couldn't be more wrong about me.
>I do NOT consider myself to be better than anyone.
>I fully respect their right to believe whatever they want to believe.
>I have no idea if any religion on the planet is right or wrong, but I try 
>to
>form a viewpoint based on my own instincts and reasoning that none of the
>religions are useful beyond being a means to organise pepole and give their
>lives meaning.
>My point was, these are people of robust conviction and they also often
>(mostly) occupy the far right of politics.
>There are HUGE numbers of "reborn" Christians in the US, among them George 
>W
>Bush.
>If you read my post in the context of the post I replied to (from Hal), he
>asked this:
>
>"So how do you explain to yourself why about 50% of Americans do want
>to keep Bush in office?  Do you think they are all wicked people?
>
>How seriously do you consider the possibility that they might be right
>and you wrong?  Is that completely out of the question for you?"
>
>And my answer was to point out that a large part of Bush's constituency is
>sourced from the Christian Fundamentalists...and he is milking it for all 
>he
>is worth.
>Maybe cynically, maybe not - I dunno. I once read a statistics article 
>which
>said something like "nearly 50% of the US population consider themselves to
>be re-born Christians". That statistic seems manifestly incorrect to me, 
>but
>I imagine it's possible that 25% could be calssified in that manner.
>
>The site I linked is hardly a small fetish site. It is massive.
>Some of the subjects have received well over 100,000 posts.
>I know of no other bulletin board which has such responses to individual
>threads.
>It really is astonishing.
>
>To answer Hal's question "How seriously do you consider the possibility 
>that
>they might be right
>and you wrong?", I would not consider it very seriously, personally. The
>views of the Christian right (when angered) scare me more than most of the
>other religions in the world (when angered)...and Bush has repeatedly used
>"mission from God" imagery. He even invoked The Crusades at one point. So
>no, I don't seriously consider "they" might be right, but I will concede it
>is possible. After all, anything is possible.
>
>But Bush is almost certain to defeat Kerry.
>So far, it seems to me (from distant Australia) he is doing a VERY good job
>at getting re-elected.
>Except for the strange fact that over the past few days he has excluded
>people from outside the US from visiting his website. Weird...or maybe DOS
>attacks...who knows?
>The only chance Kerry has is a surge in people voting _against_ Bush...and
>choosing Kerry instead of Nader.
>That's an outside chance, I suspect.
>In other words, Kerry wont win by people voting _for_ him. Instead, he has 
>a
>slight chance of getting the edge from freshly enrolled voters determined 
>to
>remove Bush and the neocons. The young, who don't have landline phones and
>therefore don't show up in the polls, may be a factor.
>
>But Bush has good advisors who keep him on message.
>Cynical they may be, but stupid they are not.
>Bush is just the figurehead enabler.
>
>A rich man of conviction who proudly "is what he is" against a rich man
>pretending to have conviction while wearing ill fitting "I'm for the 
>people"
>duds...nope, Kerry is facing a losing battle...
>
>Sean
>
>
>
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