[extropy-chat] Moveon.org

[Brian Alexander Lee]

But socialism and democracy aren't exclusive either so Hitler could have 
been a fascist, democratic socialist.

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Lorrey" <mlorrey at yahoo.com>
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Subject: Re: [extropy-chat] Moveon.org


>
> --- Brian Lee <brian_a_lee at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Can't you be a fascist and a monarchist? They don't seem exclusive to
>> me.  Wasn't Hitler a democratist and a fascist?
>
> Socialist and fascist (hence the term "National Socialist Workers
> Party").
>
> There tends to be hostility, resentment, and conflict between groups in
> the same political arena that espouse nationalist vs internationalist
> versions of their philosophy, as well as between factions arguing about
> forced imposition of policies vs consensus/conversion/evolution of
> policy. It is happening today in the GOP, the DNC, and the LP.
>
> It happened between the Nationalist Stalinists and the Internationalist
> Trotskyists.
>
> This might hint that the old Nolan chart should also have a third axis
> focused on foreign policy, ranging from interventionist to
> isolationist. Perhaps another focusing on whether individuals should
> right their own wrongs or rely on the state to do it for them.
>
> While we can quibble over who is or is not a socialist or a libertarian
> (an anarchist is a libertarian but a libertarian is not necessarily an
> anarchist) the fact is that MoveOn.Org advocates for the partial or
> full nationalization of one or more sectors of our economy which have
> traditionally been mostly or solely private enterprise driven. These
> include health care, firearms, the media, securities markets,
> transportation and real estate. That is a very significantly socialist
> agenda that would move this country 50%-75% of the way to a socialist 
> state.
>
> =====
> Mike Lorrey
> Chairman, Free Town Land Development
> "Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom.
> It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves."
>                                         -William Pitt (1759-1806)
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