[extropy-chat] RFID smartcard passports and driver's licences

Dustin Wish with INDCO Networks dwish at indco.net
Thu Apr 7 04:13:30 UTC 2005


Chicken little, it is not that easy to hack RFID or read the info. I think
you need to chill and take off the tin-foil hat. You have to be VERY close
to read the id and there is very little info on the chip anyway. I think if
they can read your wearing NIKE's from your RFID tag then I'm sure they are
close enough to look at your feet and see it. My advise, stay off the dope,
move out of your mom's trailer, and worry more about the economic impact of
the loss of jobs to China. 

I will cite a proven crack of the Exxon speedpass as an example:


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Mike Lorrey writes:
> Virtually ANY customer loyalty program card today has an RFID in it. We
> need wallets made from steel mesh cloth to provide shielding for our
> cards from casual scanners. War-walking will be the new form of
> identity theft in the near future, walking past people on  a busy
> street with your card-scanner enabled PDA ripping peoples identities
> without their knowledge...
> Furthermore, most shoes sold today have an RFID in the heel. All NIKE
> sneakers do. More and more clothes have them in the seams, to comply
> with Walmart vendor requirements. Most stores already have the
> equipment (not the software) to scan everyone coming into the store to
> see what RFIDs they have on them to make a judgement as to whether that
> person is someone the store wants for a customer.

I did not think that RFID had progressed so far, so fast.  Do you have
any citations to prove any of this?  I only found references to one
loyalty program card at a German store that was testing experimental
RFID technology.  And I couldn't find anything about Nikes having RFIDs,
or clothing.

www.spychips.com is a product of the consumer group CASPIAN which
opposes loyalty cards and other privacy-invasive programs.  They had a
lot of information on the Metro Future store loyalty cards, which were
discontinued after protest.  But nothing about shoes or clothes.  I'm sure
they'd go ballistic if these practices were actually as widespread as
you say.

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