[extropy-chat] change of topic

[Samantha Atkins]

Is that wholly the fault of the people?   Our civilization in general 
has gone debt crazy as our economy seems to be set up to only continue 
to operate if more and more is created and consumed at an ever 
increasing rate.   Quite a system of pressures all push towards high 
rates of consumption at the level of individuals and groups of all 
sizes.

I would also point out that even if you live frugally and without a 
second car (not a luxury if commuting by two to different locations 
including one ferrying kids around and taking care of the home), big 
screen TV etc, raising even a small family in many parts of the country 
is barely possible if at all  for many single earner households in the 
US.   The effective costs are quite high unless one does a lot off the 
normal consumer grid.

- samantha

On Jan 11, 2005, at 2:39 PM, Kevin Freels wrote:

>  As a result of doing what they
>> need to do to avoid unemployment, many parents find
>> themselves without time or energy to interact with
>> their children during the week beyond maybe dinner
>> together - and sometimes not even that.
>
> I find many people who agree with you, but the real problem here is 
> that
> people simply want to "have" too many nice things. The second job goes 
> to
> support the second car payment, big screen TV, etc when a couple really
> could live off of one income, albeit in a smaller house with two less
> expensive "paid for" cars.
>
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