[extropy-chat] WWP

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Well, I really don't care if the FBI from time to time
violates the rights of ANSWER or WWP or whomever. No
it is not legal or ethically right to violate anyone's
rights, but with all the rights of relatively innocent
persons being violated in America, the undeserved
punishment of  those who operate on the border of
treason will stir little reaction from some of us. 
Samantha, you think I don't know what you are saying?
Wrong. You are correct that more ought to get off
their duffs and speak up against the war. And you will
kindly allow we who despise ANSWER and WWP to speak up
against them as well. Personally I'd rather see ANSWER
and WWP killed than Baathists-- and I have a first
amendment right to say so.

 
> I really don't care a lot if some of the groups
> organizing protesters  
> are not very nice folks if the people themselves
> will get off their  
> duff and speak up.
> 
> The FBI considers people who take the Constitution
> seriously as  
> likely terrorists so excuse me if I am not too
> impressed with a claim  
> that they consider the WWP to be terrorists.
> 
> There are no scare quotes around anti-war protest.
> 
> Look at the thugs you are pandering for Mike.
> 
> - samantha
> 
> On Jul 10, 2005, at 11:09 AM, Mike Lorrey wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > --- Dirk Bruere <dirk at neopax.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Mike Lorrey wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> WWP and several of these other groups accepted,
> prior to the Iraq
> >>>
> >> war,
> >>
> >>> significant sums from Saddam Hussein, according
> to records captured
> >>>
> >> in
> >>
> >>> Bagdad. Whether they continue to receive funds
> from the Baathist
> >>>
> >> Party
> >>
> >>> in Syria, as is suspected, has not yet been
> confirmed.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >> Well, better just ask the CIA who can be relied
> upon to provide
> >> truthful answers to all such question. NOT.
> >> Would these be the same records that smeared
> George Galloway?
> >> Your naivete is touching.
> >>
> >
> > Your excuse making for stalinists and baathists is
> revealing. It also
> > displays ignorance and naivete of the
> international left and its
> > agenda. Domestic revolutionary and insurgency
> groups come under the
> > surveillance of the FBI's Department 5, not the
> CIA.
> >
> >
>
http://www.insightmag.com/main.cfm?include=detail&storyid=370660
> >
> > http://caosblog.com/archives/803
> >
> > "The FBI considers the WWP a terrorist
> organization. On May 10, 2001,
> > FBI Director Louis Freeh stated that “Anarchists
> and extremist
> > socialist groups — many of which, such as the
> Workers World Party,  
> > have
> > an international presence and, at times, also
> represent a potential
> > threat in the United States.” Imagine that; the
> mainstream media
> > somehow missed the fact that the most ubiquitous
> organizer of
> > “anti-war” protests is directed by a terrorist
> support group.  
> > Shouldn’t
> > a question on this front be aimed directly at
> Ramsey Clark at one of
> > his regular press conferences?
> >
> > The Korean Truth Commission and Pastors for Peace
> are staunch  
> > allies of
> > Kim Jong Il and Fidel Castro, respectively, and
> both groups  
> > continue to
> > support these murderous regimes’ violation of
> International law. In
> > addition to its role as a front for the support of
> > totalitarian/communist governments in North Korea
> and Cuba, members of
> > ANSWER’s steering committee such as the Muslim
> Student Association and
> > the Free Palestine Alliance continue to provide
> ideological,  
> > logistical
> > and financial support for organizations devoted to
> the destruction of
> > the state of Israel, including the terrorist
> group, Hamas. A
> > comprehensive investigation of the members of
> ANSWER’s steering
> > committee make it clear that the organization is
> in actuality one of
> > Peace’s greatest enemies. "
> >
> > This isn't the first time the WWP has pandered for
> overseas thugs.  
> > They
> > also accepted funds and lobbied for former
> Yugoslav President Slobodan
> > Milosevich. Ramsey Clark served as legal counsel
> in the US for Saddam
> > Hussein. The WWP also runs the KTC, the Korea
> Truth Commission, a  
> > front
> > for North Korean thug-in-chief Kim Jong Il.
> >
> > http://www.brookesnews.com/031502peacerally.html
> > http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=2592
> >
>
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/02/310163.shtml
> > http://www.infoshop.org/texts/wwp.html
> >
>
http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=5734
> >
>
http://www.leftwatch.com/archives/years/2005/000001.html
> >
>
http://www.insightmag.com/main.cfm?include=detail&storyid=370637
> >
> > "The IAC has felt the sting. In a statement it
> blasted those who
> > "dishonestly claim that ANSWER is a 'front' group
> in order to diminish
> > the coalition," though it acknowledges "the
> presence of socialists and
> > Marxists, in particular members of the Workers
> World Party." Their
> > critics, IAC says, are racists: "Those who claim
> that ANSWER is a
> > 'front' organization demonstrate their own racist
> and elitist
> > perception of reality."
> >
> > And ANSWER has ripped what it calls "a repugnant
> red-baiting campaign
> > against the ANSWER coalition because of its role
> as a principal
> > organizer of the mass grass-roots movement of
> opposition to war
> > throughout the United States."
> >
> > The WWP is nothing if not consistent. According to
> a 1974  
> > congressional
> > report, it split from the Socialist Workers Party
> in 1959 in a dispute
> > over the Soviet invasion of Hungary three years
> before. The Socialist
> > Workers opposed the invasion, while Workers World
> partisans supported
> > it. "In 1968, the Workers World Party supported
> the invasion of
> > Czechoslovakia by the communist Warsaw Pact
> armies," the report
> > continued. The party, which never numbered more
> than a few hundred
> > people, supported the Viet Cong and North
> Vietnamese army against the
> > United States during the Vietnam War, according to
> the congressional
> > report. Some of its activities were coordinated
> with enemy military
> > actions. An April 8, 1972, internal letter "To All
> Branches" of the
> > party urged participation in "antiwar"
> demonstrations in support of a
> > Viet Cong offensive in South Vietnam. The letter's
> author, John
> > Catalinotto, remains in the party as managing
> editor of its weekly
> > Workers World "newspaper," and occasionally
> represents the IAC.
> 
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