[extropy-chat] IQ vs Uploads (was: what to do)

[Mike Lorrey]

How are they going to 'not allow' humans to unplug them? They will
require humans to do everything until and unless humans specifically
hook up robotic manipulators under their control. They will require
humans to set up microwave power beams (from human made power plants),
or to paint them with photovoltaic paint or fuel cells (assuming humans
choose even to allow it in the design, if the device is manufactured in
an automated plant). Your conceptualization is very nano-santa and
ignores many ways in which humans will remain in control for quite a
while, you have a magical view of the future that is very much like the
view that is the basis of the fears of luddites.

--- giorgio gaviraghi <giogavir at yahoo.it> wrote:

> AI s would be smart enough not to allow less
> intelligent humans to unplug them and probably would
> run by remote microwave directed power or will
> generate their own power through nanotech  efficient
> paint or thin film solar collectors with fuel cells
> when sun will not be available
> --- Mike Lorrey <mlorrey at yahoo.com> ha scritto: 
> 
> > 
> > 
> > --- The Avantguardian <avantguardian2020 at yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- Robin Hanson <rhanson at gmu.edu> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > What most needs analysis are changes that are
> > not
> > > > captured in existing
> > > > trends. IQ has been increasing and that has had
> > > > effects for a long time.
> > > > So all of the existing trend-based analysis
> > already
> > > > captures a big
> > > > similar effect.  The effects of the upload
> > > > transition are not, however,
> > > > much captured in existing trends.
> > > 
> > > Hey Robin,
> > > 
> > > This is a facinating topic. Why don't you analyze
> > and
> > > compare the Flynn Effect with Moore's Law? I don't
> > > know about the shape of Flynn's I.Q. curve vs.
> > time
> > > but if it is exponential rather than linear then
> > it
> > > opens up a very cool possibility. Since Moore's
> > law is
> > > exponential then it might come down to a race
> > between
> > > the Flynn effect vs. Moore's Law to see who/what
> > will
> > > dominate in years ahead: A.I. or the minds that
> > CREATE
> > > them.
> > >     If the rate constant for the Flynn effect is
> > > higher than for Moore's Law then no matter how
> > fast
> > > computers and software advance the human mind
> > might be
> > > able to keep pace or even lead. I mean after all,
> > Deep
> > > Blue might have beat Kasporov but who would you
> > invite
> > > to a cocktail party?
> > 
> > Yes, one conceptual mistake, I believe, with the AI
> > Singularity is the
> > automatic assumptions that a) desktop AIs will only
> > design smarter
> > desktop AIs, rather than, say, smarter human
> > augmentation technologies,
> > and b) that humans will only want to design smarter
> > desktop AIs, rather
> > than, say, smarter human augmentation technologies.
> > I think the trend
> > toward wearables and more powerful mobile computing
> > clearly
> > demonstrates that people want tools that make THEM
> > smarter, not tools
> > that are smarter than them. Additionally, there is a
> > common
> > Singulatarian mistake that upgrades just
> > automagically happen, which is
> > wrong. Humans have to choose to upgrade their
> > machines, have to order
> > them, have them shipped, installed, etc. The idea of
> > the AI magically
> > getting out of the control of its humans is
> > ludicrous. Even if an AI is
> > able to use a corporate persona to order things, it
> > will still take
> > employees, managers, and a board of directors to
> > allow it to happen and
> > make it happen. Even then, there is always the
> > electrical cord to
> > unplug to send a truculent AI 'to its room'.
> > 
> > Mike Lorrey
> > Vice-Chair, 2nd District, Libertarian Party of NH
> > "Necessity is the plea for every infringement of
> > human freedom.
> > It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of
> > slaves."
> >                                       -William Pitt
> > (1759-1806) 
> > Blog: http://intlib.blogspot.com
> > 
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Mike Lorrey
Vice-Chair, 2nd District, Libertarian Party of NH
"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom.
It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves."
                                      -William Pitt (1759-1806) 
Blog: http://intlib.blogspot.com


		
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