[extropy-chat] Re: Recipe for Destruction - Joy/Kurzweil NYTimes Op-Ed
sjatkins at mac.com
Wed Oct 19 01:50:25 UTC 2005
On Oct 18, 2005, at 6:30 PM, Russell Wallace wrote:
> On 10/19/05, Samantha Atkins <sjatkins at mac.com> wrote:
> The trouble is that you are very short on the how this can be
> I did say, did I not, that an antisocial and uncharismatic guy who
> sits in a basement writing code is not the person to draw up
> marketing plans? :)
Ah. Good point. :-)
> I'm rather long, however, on how to at least stop actively damaging
> the chances of this being accomplished. And that's what this boils
> down to: if you (plural) can't help, at least stop doing harm.
But exactly what is and is not harm? Who decides? Who has your trust?
> This is where we really need Eliezer Yudkowsky to write one of his
> posts that summarize the matter with clarity that nobody else could
> accomplish with a thousand times as many words. I'm no Eliezer, but
> I'll try:
> Your (plural) instincts are telling you, someone is saying things
> that might be in support of a position you oppose, so come up with
> heartfelt arguments as to why this is wrong. They're telling you
> that because that was the right survival strategy for your genes in
> a hunter-gatherer tribe of 200 people where being a great-
> grandparent meant getting to the top of the pecking order. In
> modern times, they're a deadly liability. If you're a rationalist,
> please try to see through this and turn off the switch long enough
> to realize that arguments about why it's okay to publish this or
> that _don't matter_. Then ask someone who knows about marketing and
> politics (not me, please, I'd rather bow out of this discussion at
> this stage anyway) the best way to move forward.
Academic freedom does matter. Self-policing generally to mollify
others who largely don't understand the problem space and have many
unfounded or overblown fears and opinions is suicidal. No, I do not
think I am simply engaging in some kind of evolved pecking order game
when I bring up the point.
Thanks awfully for the bananas though.
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