[extropy-chat] Re: Ethics and evolution

[Samantha Atkins]

Concrete is not poured by hand but by skilled machine operators.   
Roofers  and hangers of siding are not considered grunt labor  
either.   There are not "lots of such jobs" for everyone displaced.   
The continued insistence that there are and always will be is cruel  
and false.  Also in many parts of the country it is increasingly  
difficult to survive on true grunt labor wages.

You may like to think a lot of things are so as do I.  But we can't  
just assume that what we would like to believe is true.

- s

On Sep 5, 2005, at 11:06 AM, kevinfreels.com wrote:

> You are assuming a great leap forward on automation where robots  
> can roof
> houses, pour concrete, and hang siding. There's lots of "grunt"  
> jobs out
> there that will not be replaced for a long time. Of course, that  
> day will
> come, but when it does, I would like to think we will also have the  
> ability
> to "cure" such IQ problems with a cost small enough to justify  
> making the
> person a productive member of society.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alfio Puglisi" <puglisi at arcetri.astro.it>
> To: "ExI chat list" <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>
> Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 5:40 AM
> Subject: Re: [extropy-chat] Re: Ethics and evolution
>
>
>
>> On Mon, 5 Sep 2005, Samantha Atkins wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 5, 2005, at 1:34 AM, BillK wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> If you are not as smart. well-educated, healthy, fit and capable  
>>>> as a
>>>> Lib then '**ck you, you're on your own'.
>>>>
>>>
>>> The strength of your argument stands alone.  No further comment is
>>>
> needed.
>
>>
>> Actually, further comments are needed, because I often have the same
>> doubts as Bill. For example, how would cope someone with an IQ of  
>> 80 or
>> less and no education worth its name, when the available grunt  
>> jobs are
>> automated away, and his market value is less and less? How can he  
>> afford
>> a private health insurance?
>>
>> Charitable organizations would probably exists in a libertarian
>> environment like they exist in the current, mostly socialist one, but
>> relying on those for everything not profitable isn't a good strategy.
>>
>> Pure libertarian free-market environments to my eyes resemble too  
>> much an
>> evolution-like "survival of the fittest" game, where you'll do  
>> great if
>> you are good (or better, if you have marketable skills/assets),  
>> and suffer
>> a lot if you aren't.
>>
>> Alfio
>>
>>
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