[wta-talk] RE: [extropy-chat] What _is_ it with the WTA board, anyway?

Giu1i0 Pri5c0 pgptag at gmail.com
Mon Jan 16 15:06:56 UTC 2006

Pleeeeease my friends, not again!
First, I wish to remind everyone that all WTA members can access the
WTA Board archives which, as I just checked, go back to August 2003.
Just write to me or to Marcelo for a password.
Second, I see that these pointless discussions are spilling over to
the Extropy list, where perhaps people prefer discussing other things
and do not wish to see their mailboxes flooded with endless
repetitions of the same old stories. If I were Natasha, I would
consider issuing a warning to all WTA members on the Extropy list to
please discuss internal WTA problems at home, refrain from taking them
to the Extropy list, and not assume that everyone is interested in
petty disputes. I could do it myself as I am also a list deputy on the
Extropy list, but in this case I prefer leaving it to Natasha.
Third, I can see that some people are using the old and recent
discussions in the WTA to create tension between the ExI, the WTA and
other transhumanist associations. If you are one of those, and you
will know if you are one, I wish to ask you to consider focusing your
energy to more productive activities. There is a lot to do to move
towards the future we wish to see and I think we can not waste our
time like that.

On 1/16/06, Harvey Newstrom <mail at harveynewstrom.com> wrote:
> On Jan 15, 2006, at 10:21 AM, Hughes, James J. wrote:
> > Uh, for the record, Mr. Cordeiro just withdrew from running for
> > re-election, Bruce Klein and Harvey Newstrom resigned from the Board,
> > and Mr. Yudkowsky lost a re-relection.
> >
> > So I don't know how I can be blamed for 'driving out' Yudkowsky. And
> > yes, the other three Board members and I had many disagreements. But
> > neither I, nor any Board member, moved to have them removed from the
> > Board.
> James thinks I resigned, even though I have always denied it.
> On Jan 15, 2006, at 6:48 PM, mike99 wrote:
> > Harvey Newstrom, who is also quite intelligent and adept, was
> > encouraged by
> > Jose to question everything...endlessly. Questioning is good. But like
> > the
> > child who asks an endless series of "Why?" questions, responding to
> > every
> > proffered answer with yet another "Why?" Harvey only managed to bring
> > the
> > work of the Board to a grinding halt. In an elected legislature, this
> > is
> > called tying up the house in procedural motions. That's what Harvey
> > did.
> > Finally, the Board had had enough and asked him to leave.
> Mike thinks the board asked me to leave, even though James has always
> denied it.
> This is why I ask endless questions.  Different board members still
> disagree about whether the board did or did not take some official
> action.  How can they not remember or agree on what happened on the
> board?  How can the records be of no help in answering these questions?
>   How can there be no minutes or disputed minutes?  How can we tell
> which claimed official actions are real and which ones aren't.  When
> board members violently disagree on basic truths, how can members
> determine the truth?  And how can these same questions be unanswered
> year after year?
> --
> Harvey Newstrom <HarveyNewstrom.com>

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