[extropy-chat] nuclear non-proliferation as energy strategy ?

[Brian Lee]

This is why Iran is a bigger problem than Pakistan or Israel: Iran supports 
terrorism and makes threats about annihilating other countries (specifically 
US and Israel). Their president is a raving lunatic who denies the Holocaust 
and calls for Israel to be wiped off the map. If we could go back in time, 
we should have stopped Pakistan and Israel from developing nuclear weapons 
but we can't, so they have nukes. Additionally, Pakistan "playing ball" with 
the US and cooperating goes a long way toward them not being a threat.

The 911 hijackers being Saudi does not mean the Saudi government supports 
terrorism. To suggest this link is misguided.

BAL

>From: Samantha Atkins <sjatkins at mac.com>
>To: ExI chat list <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>
>Subject: Re: [extropy-chat] nuclear non-proliferation as energy strategy ?
>Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 11:35:43 -0800
>
>We slap a label on a country and expect the normal rules not to  apply.  
>Very neat.  A much scarier country that already has nukes is  Pakistan.   
>But they are our good buds.  Israel is a major  international outlaw by the 
>number and scope of UN resolutions they  have violated but they have had 
>nukes since at least the sixties and  are one of the most heavily 
>militarized countries per capita on the  planet.  All secular folks in 
>Israel are bound by law to support a  huge and growing religious caste.   
>The religious caste has  tremendous power.  Israel is arguably not a 
>secular State in  practice.  Yet they are certainly our good friends.  So 
>the issue  does not seem to come down to a State being in good repute or 
>being  in its government cleanly secular.   State involved in terrorism?   
>Saudi Arabia is heavily involved in terrorism.  Most of the 911  hijackers 
>were Saudi.  But they are also our buds.  We even edited  out the parts of 
>the 911 commission report that might have made them  look bad.   So tell me 
>again why Iran having nuclear power and maybe  some day being able to 
>produce nuclear bombs is a major crisis.
>
>- samantha
>
>
>On Jan 17, 2006, at 10:26 AM, Brian Lee wrote:
>
>>I don't think Iran's race has anything to do with it (re: the  "brown 
>>people" comment). It has more to do with their terrorist  nation status. 
>>Maybe it's just me, but Iran having nuclear weapons  scares me. Nuclear 
>>power doesn't. I think it's smart for Iran to  pursue nuclear power as it 
>>may take 20 years to really get serious  power output and they need to 
>>start now if they want to be ready  when the oil is gone. But I don't 
>>think Iran has shown itself  responsible enough to have nuclear weapons.
>>
>>BAL
>>
>>>From: user <user at dhp.com>
>>>To: ExI chat list <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>
>>>Subject: Re: [extropy-chat] nuclear non-proliferation as energy  strategy 
>>>?
>>>Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 11:25:36 -0500 (EST)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On Tue, 17 Jan 2006, Brian Lee wrote:
>>>
>>> > The last plan I saw was that the EU/US wanted to provide the  enriched
>>> > uranium to fuel Iran's future reactors. Iran was against that  and so 
>>>we're
>>> > at where we are today. So I guess there's no solution that gives  Iran 
>>>the
>>> > capability to make nuclear fuel without the capability to make  
>>>weapons grade
>>> > material.
>>>
>>>
>>>Which seems sensible from a "we're scared of brown people"  standpoint, 
>>>but
>>>from Irans standpoint ... I would reject that plan as well.  If they
>>>really were (a big if) interested in modern electrical power
>>>infrastructure to tie their developing country to, why shackle  yourself 
>>>to
>>>the goodwill of others to provide the necessary fuel ?
>>>
>>>Again, it seems like a perfect role reversal, and if I were Iran I  would
>>>balk too...
>>>
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