[extropy-chat] Semantics + Re: Identity and becoming a Great Old One

Bret Kulakovich bret at bonfireproductions.com
Fri Jan 27 01:24:12 UTC 2006

Hi Eliezer,

The duration, though it does not matter to me in the state of storage  
-  obviously - will certainly dictate the method of revival.  
Remaining in the flavor of the thread I can safely state that while  
the possibility of being revived by Jupiter Brains 10 years from now  
exists, it is extremely remote. Since we have yet to revive anyone, I  
can also safely state that the method could be threaded, patterned,  
both or neither, etc.

Meanwhile, it remains to be seen if the 'brink' of consciousness will  
successfully translate my personal experience during any cryonic  
process. So from my perspective (the one that matters in most in the  
examples I have been making re:duplication) the "bulb is out" at the  
scale you speak of, more likely than not. Yes?

What is more important in this thread is the terminology being used  
to re-name classical philosophical definitions. I find this is a bit  
harrowing. It will be hard for others to take these postulates  
seriously when the rest of our species is using "monism" and  
"dualism" while we apply different terms. The geography of  
Transhumanism is on a landscape we must share with all - even if they  
died thousands of years ago.

Bret K.

//apologies - this is more than 8 posts today.

On Jan 26, 2006, at 5:48 PM, Eliezer S. Yudkowsky wrote:

> Bret Kulakovich wrote:
>> Not counting the lapse between shutdown and restart spent inert.  
>> So cryonics could be arguably threaded or patterned - I don't  
>> think we'll know until it happens. The bulb is out for a very long  
>> time before the power is restored.
> What difference does it make if it is 10^40 planck increments  
> between when your neurons fire, or 10^53 planck increments between  
> your cryonic suspension and revival?  You and your wacky  
> anthropomorphic notions about "short times" and "long times".  To  
> physics your brain is a motionless statue with neurons firing only  
> on a timescale of aeons. Even so, you live.
> -- 
> Eliezer S. Yudkowsky                          http://singinst.org/
> Research Fellow, Singularity Institute for Artificial Intelligence
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