[extropy-chat] Still confused:)
john.heritage at v21.me.uk
Mon Sep 4 03:58:32 UTC 2006
> They're about beliefs...
Perhaps importantly, fear induced belief. Although let's not get all
superior here when scientists scrabble away like rats to find answers in
hope that they can avoid problems as well - like me, scared of death. It's
just that the agnostic's end result isn't always a very happy one at the
Luckily for the religious, there are agnostics like me around to suffer for
them, just like Jesus, and develop their mobile phones for them, all the
time suspecting that I'm just going to blink out of existence in a few
I would stop and question at the exploration point, because I think there is
some element of religion that does involve exploration of 'the bigger
picture', although this is no way bound solely to religion and agnostic
philosophy can provided something identical - assuming it is actually
agnosticism and not Dawkin's-esque fundamentallism dressed up to look
better. Neither do I think the majority of religious people, particularly in
the West, actually engage in exploration of the bigger picture - actually, a
lot probably do the opposite. But again, neither do all scientists - they
can easily become caught up in the moment (see: nuclear bombs & all
millitary funded research, which accounts for a truely staggering proportion
of scientific R&D in my opinion).
> What I wonder is whether extropian goals can be achieved without
> the momentum of supporters/believers.
I don't think we'll need a revolution in backing from the public to achieve
it. They'll just need continued spoon feeding with things like more
efficient turbines to make them realise the potential.
A revolution would be nice, but it's probably unrealistic. It all comes back
to the technological background point. I see the benefit of turbines because
I understand where the power for my lightbulbs is coming from, and what it's
doing both physically and philosophically (thermal equilibrium / the circle
of life etc), and so I switch the light off when I walk out the room. It
sounds simple, but until people can see the bigger picture of what that
needlessly burning lightbulb represents, they'll carry on ignoring wind
turbines until they match normal generation methods for feasibility.
People who have DIY wind turbines in their backyard switch their lights off
too (and many more things), making turbines already feasible for them due to
their low energy demands. The most effective way of converting people to a
transhumanist mind set might be to investigate what prompted these DIY
turbine people in the first place and then trying to guide the public on
from there, which will probably be cost (which will be viewed as penny
pinching unless it's a substantial difference that can offset the lifestyle
change & effort) and an appreciation for life as a whole - although I fear
the majority of people will see the DIY turbine people merely as hippys due
to their unshaking belief in how they deserve the right to leave their
lights on 24/7 regardless.
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