[ExI] Bad Epistemology?

Lee Corbin lcorbin at rawbw.com
Mon Jul 16 11:47:41 UTC 2007

Jef writes

> Lee wrote:
>> 4. Objects as such---strictly speaking---do not reside in the
>>     mind. Nor do they reside in 3-space, any more than the
>>     number 6 resides in our minds or in space. Theories and
>>     ideas and other patterns exist really and Platonically
>>     whether or not people, or cameras, or quarks, or space,
>>     or time, or any other things happen to exist
> [Please consider the following:]
> Any observer system, while embedded in "reality", is fundamentally,
> ineluctably subjective. One can assume otherwise, but at the cost of
> reduced information entropy. [1]

1.  Do cameras or photographic plates count as observers?
2.  How complex does a robot have to become before it is an observer?  
3.  Does it make sense to speak of the universe before there were observers?

Thanks for the criticism,


> This means that any observation is always only defined in terms of the
> observer.  Of course we humans are highly similar; individuals being
> only the smallest of twigs on a common branch of the evolutionary
> tree.
> "Any observation" includes observation of the observer by the
> observer.  Misconception of this point is the source of perennial
> philosophical debates.

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