[extropy-chat] Role of Observer is not Relevant

[Eugen Leitl]

On Sat, Mar 31, 2007 at 11:39:15PM +1000, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:

>    OK, so you take the whole simulation (with an agent that can count)
>    and run it on a system that is Turing-equivalent (I used an abacus
>    above; a counter machine is Turing-equivalent and resembles an
>    abacus). This running can take one of three forms: (a) the TM designer
>    physically manipulates the machine; (b) the TM designer writes out a
>    program and has an ignorant person who can follow instructions
>    manipulate the machine; (c) the wind happens to manipulate the machine
>    in the same way as the human would have. Does the program run and
>    counting occur in each case?

Sorry, as long as you won't touch the Hash Life scenario 
(observer + environment implemented in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hashlife which
is Turing complete http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conway's_Game_of_Life), no dice.

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