[ExI] reconsidering the Orion's Arm timeline...

Dagon Gmail dagonweb at gmail.com
Sat Jan 10 23:14:45 UTC 2009

People, people... any topic of morality or good or evil only has  any
meaning in very narrow
margins. Most people cant apply consistency in ethical matters and the
average civilian
out there can be duped into being a concentration camp overseer for
airmiles. Moral
discussions about anything beyond same sex marriage or vatgrown hamburgers
drag out
for ages. As such most discussion about what would be prudent for the
baselines are not
equitable or like talking down to infants. Yu cannot let baselines decide on
any of this -
or decide for them. Let`s stop this sillyness. Lets for now call this the
"extropia tragedy"
and close this ... Lets hope we will never be faced to arbitrage over the
existentials of
baselines. We are not mature enough to do so yet.

On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 8:04 PM, samantha <sjatkins at mac.com> wrote:

> Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
>> 2009/1/7 Keith Henson <hkhenson at rogers.com>:
>> extro
>>> This is my attempt on humans being seduced into cyberspace in a short
>>> story.
>>> http://www.terasemjournals.org/GN0202/henson.html
>> Is "seduced" a good word? Sometimes I talk to people the possibility
>> of a human future in cyberspace and they are horrified. I counter that
>> no-one will be forced but instead they will undergo the change
>> voluntarily, because once they understand it or experience it they
>> will see its advantages. Comes the reply: "So people won't be forced,
>> they'll be seduced! That's just as bad!"
> Wow.  Such a victim mentality some people have.  You offer them unlimited
> life span and they are the victim of your "seduction" if they say yes.
> They will be "seduced" about the same way most people were seduced to
> finally buy one of those computer thingies or more universally, to get a
> cell phone.  When the advantages are large enough to overcome objections and
> the price becomes affordable people move.  Rationality demands that they
> move in such circumstances.  It is called "opportunity" and "choice".  The
> day we think those things are bad is the day we pack it up as completely
> incompetent to live, learn, change and grow.
> - samantha
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