[ExI] extropy-chat Digest, Vol 73, Issue 5

Tue Oct 6 03:19:48 UTC 2009

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Today's Topics:

   1. X-Prize reflections and future (Max More)

   2. Why do psychologists reject science? (Max More)

   3. Longer lives may be lasting upside to recession (Max More)

   4.  limits of physics (scerir)

   5. Playboy interviews (Stefano Vaj)

   6. Re: Alcor scandal (Natasha Vita-More)

   7. Re: Playboy interviews (BillK)

   8. Re: Playboy interviews (Stefano Vaj)

   9. Re: Alcor scandal (David Lubkin)

  10. Re: Alcor scandal (Natasha Vita-More)

  11. Re: Playboy interviews (Natasha Vita-More)

  12. Re: Alcor scandal (David Lubkin)

  13. Re: Playboy interviews (Stefano Vaj)

  14. Re: Alcor scandal (Stefano Vaj)

  15. Re: Alcor scandal (Natasha Vita-More)

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Message: 1

Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 10:30:58 -0500

From: Max More <max at maxmore.com>

To: Extropy-Chat <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>

Subject: [ExI] X-Prize reflections and future

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Alan Boyle's Cosmic Blog has a substantial entry on the X-Prize, 

including an interview with Diamandis:

http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2009/10/02/2088311.aspx

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Max More, Ph.D.

Strategic Philosopher

Extropy Institute Founder

www.maxmore.com

max at maxmore.com

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Message: 2

Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 10:27:29 -0500

From: Max More <max at maxmore.com>

To: Extropy-Chat <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>

Subject: [ExI] Why do psychologists reject science?

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Interesting, if nothing really new here -- except that I'd never 

heard of "dolphin-assisted therapy":

Ignoring the Evidence

Why do psychologists reject science?

http://www.newsweek.com/id/216506

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Message: 3

Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 10:29:13 -0500

From: Max More <max at maxmore.com>

To: Extropy-Chat <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>

Subject: [ExI] Longer lives may be lasting upside to recession

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Not long ago, we had some discussion about improving life 

expectancies. BillK suggested that life spans were about to drop due 

to the recession. This article conveys surprising evidence that the 

opposite may be likely. Thought?

Longer lives may be lasting upside to recession

Average life expectancy saw surprising bump during Great Depression

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33139622/ns/health-aging/

Max

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Max More, Ph.D.

Strategic Philosopher

Extropy Institute Founder

www.maxmore.com

max at maxmore.com

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Message: 4

Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 17:51:31 +0200

From: "scerir" <scerir at libero.it>

To: "ExI chat list" <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>

Subject: [ExI]  limits of physics

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no, no, just a collection of short papers, on many topics

http://fqxi.org/community/forum/category/31416

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Message: 5

Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 18:32:13 +0200

From: Stefano Vaj <stefano.vaj at gmail.com>

To: ExI chat list <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>,	World

	Transhumanist Association Discussion List

	<wta-talk at transhumanism.org>, cosmic-engineers at googlegroups.com

Subject: [ExI] Playboy interviews

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Riccardo and myself have been interviewed at length in our AIT capacities

about the transhumanist views on cybersex by the Italian edition of *Playboy

* (!).

Those who can read Italian may have some fun in checking the published

article here <http://www.transumanisti.it/3_articolo.asp?id=81>, and the

full-text versions

here<http://www.transumanisti.it/9_articolo.asp?id=13&nomeCat=Interviste>and

here <http://www.transumanisti.it/9_articolo.asp?id=14&nomeCat=Interviste>.

No, no mention of shady conspiracies, sorry for the fans therof... :-)

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Stefano Vaj

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Message: 6

Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 11:51:12 -0500

From: "Natasha Vita-More" <natasha at natasha.cc>

To: "'ExI chat list'" <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>

Subject: Re: [ExI] Alcor scandal

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Friends,

Please know that litigation is a very mean snake and all communications are

potential litigation discovery which could be summoned for investigation by

opposing counsel.

In light of this, it would be helpful to Alcor, and cryoncists in general,

if we did not make public material that could be used in discovery

proceedings against Alcor.

Because of this it might be wise to talk all discussions about Alcor's

situation off list.

Many thanks,

Natasha 

Nlogo1.tif Natasha Vita-More

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Message: 7

Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 18:44:29 +0100

From: BillK <pharos at gmail.com>

To: ExI chat list <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>

Subject: Re: [ExI] Playboy interviews

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On 10/4/09, Stefano Vaj wrote:

> Riccardo and myself have been interviewed at length in our AIT capacities

> about the transhumanist views on cybersex by the Italian edition of Playboy

> (!).

>

> Those who can read Italian may have some fun in checking the published

> article here, and the full-text versions here and here.

>

Well, of course I only read Playboy for the articles.

But it is a bit unfortunate if I get caught reading a foreign language

Playboy magazine.   ;)

BillK

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Message: 8

Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 19:51:12 +0200

From: Stefano Vaj <stefano.vaj at gmail.com>

To: ExI chat list <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>

Subject: Re: [ExI] Playboy interviews

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2009/10/4 BillK <pharos at gmail.com>

> But it is a bit unfortunate if I get caught reading a foreign language

> Playboy magazine.   ;)

>

Yes, people might think you are showing off your command of foreign

languages... :-)

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Stefano Vaj

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Message: 9

Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 14:19:47 -0400

From: David Lubkin <lubkin at unreasonable.com>

To: ExI chat list <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>

Subject: Re: [ExI] Alcor scandal

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Natasha wrote:

>Please know that litigation is a very mean snake and all communications are

>potential litigation discovery which could be summoned for investigation by

>opposing counsel.

>

>In light of this, it would be helpful to Alcor, and cryoncists in general,

>if we did not make public material that could be used in discovery

>proceedings against Alcor.

>

>Because of this it might be wise to talk all discussions about Alcor's

>situation off list.

An opponent need not wait for discovery. This list has public

archives....

I suggest that any discussion on this list be limited to bringing

to one another's attention already public material, e.g., URLs

of media coverage or a press release from Alcor.

-- David.

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Message: 10

Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 13:53:34 -0500

From: "Natasha Vita-More" <natasha at natasha.cc>

To: "'ExI chat list'" <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>

Subject: Re: [ExI] Alcor scandal

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I'm not sure what you are saying David, but in litigation terms discovery is

what will skin or swim Alcor and I do not want this list being used as a

means for either.

Natasha

Nlogo1.tif Natasha Vita-More

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[mailto:extropy-chat-bounces at lists.extropy.org] On Behalf Of David Lubkin

Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 1:20 PM

To: ExI chat list

Subject: Re: [ExI] Alcor scandal

Natasha wrote:

>Please know that litigation is a very mean snake and all communications 

>are potential litigation discovery which could be summoned for 

>investigation by opposing counsel.

>

>In light of this, it would be helpful to Alcor, and cryoncists in 

>general, if we did not make public material that could be used in 

>discovery proceedings against Alcor.

>

>Because of this it might be wise to talk all discussions about Alcor's 

>situation off list.

An opponent need not wait for discovery. This list has public archives....

I suggest that any discussion on this list be limited to bringing to one

another's attention already public material, e.g., URLs of media coverage or

a press release from Alcor.

-- David.

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Message: 11

Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 13:54:17 -0500

From: "Natasha Vita-More" <natasha at natasha.cc>

To: "'ExI chat list'" <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>

Subject: Re: [ExI] Playboy interviews

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Congratulations!  Did you also pose for any pics? :-) 

Nlogo1.tif Natasha Vita-More

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From: extropy-chat-bounces at lists.extropy.org

[mailto:extropy-chat-bounces at lists.extropy.org] On Behalf Of BillK

Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 12:44 PM

To: ExI chat list

Subject: Re: [ExI] Playboy interviews

On 10/4/09, Stefano Vaj wrote:

> Riccardo and myself have been interviewed at length in our AIT 

> capacities about the transhumanist views on cybersex by the Italian 

> edition of Playboy (!).

>

> Those who can read Italian may have some fun in checking the published 

> article here, and the full-text versions here and here.

>

Well, of course I only read Playboy for the articles.

But it is a bit unfortunate if I get caught reading a foreign language

Playboy magazine.   ;)

BillK

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Message: 12

Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 15:35:21 -0400

From: David Lubkin <lubkin at unreasonable.com>

To: ExI chat list <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>

Subject: Re: [ExI] Alcor scandal

Message-ID: <200910041929.n94JTpX5016154 at andromeda.ziaspace.com>

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Natasha wrote:

>I'm not sure what you are saying David, but in litigation terms discovery is

>what will skin or swim Alcor and I do not want this list being used as a

>means for either.

I thought I was clear.

I agreed with you, and said moreover that since our archives are

public, anyone antagonistic to Alcor can access anything we

post without discovery.

But I suggested that rather than bar the topic altogether, this list be

used (only) to tell each other about links to *already-public* material

extropians might be interested in, like video or a transcript posted

by ABC after the Nightline segment airs, a newspaper op-ed, or a

press release on the Alcor site.

-- David.

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Message: 13

Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 22:08:07 +0200

From: Stefano Vaj <stefano.vaj at gmail.com>

To: ExI chat list <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>

Subject: Re: [ExI] Playboy interviews

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2009/10/4 Natasha Vita-More <natasha at natasha.cc>

> Congratulations!  Did you also pose for any pics? :-)

>

Why, out of narcissism if not of my duties towards the transhumanist cause I

would certainly have considered the idea... :-)

-- 

Stefano Vaj

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Message: 14

Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 23:04:13 +0200

From: Stefano Vaj <stefano.vaj at gmail.com>

To: ExI chat list <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>

Subject: Re: [ExI] Alcor scandal

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2009/10/4 Natasha Vita-More <natasha at natasha.cc>

> In light of this, it would be helpful to Alcor, and cryoncists in general,

> if we did not make public material that could be used in discovery

> proceedings against Alcor.

>

Even though I am just a "continental" lawyer I am inclined second this

recommendation out of professional experience...

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Stefano Vaj

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Message: 15

Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 20:11:40 -0500

From: "Natasha Vita-More" <natasha at natasha.cc>

To: "'ExI chat list'" <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>

Subject: Re: [ExI] Alcor scandal

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Thank you Stefano.  

In deference to Alcor we ought to not discuss Alcor's business on this list.

Thanks,

Natasha

Nlogo1.tif  <http://www.natasha.cc/> Natasha Vita-More

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[mailto:extropy-chat-bounces at lists.extropy.org] On Behalf Of Stefano Vaj

Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 4:04 PM

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Subject: Re: [ExI] Alcor scandal

2009/10/4 Natasha Vita-More <natasha at natasha.cc>

In light of this, it would be helpful to Alcor, and cryoncists in general,

if we did not make public material that could be used in discovery

proceedings against Alcor.

Even though I am just a "continental" lawyer I am inclined second this

recommendation out of professional experience...

-- 

Stefano Vaj

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