[ExI] Homelessness (was Re: Social right to have a living)

[Samantha Atkins]

On 07/06/2011 07:13 AM, Stefano Vaj wrote:
> On 5 July 2011 17:36, Kelly Anderson<kellycoinguy at gmail.com>  wrote:
>> And that giving "help" on an ongoing long term basis is evil.
> I am not entirely comfortable myself with the "humanitarian" angle
> which seems the invariable Leitmotif of US liberals - who, btw, used
> to be ferocious Social Darwinists just a century or two ago.
>

No, they were not.  They simply asserted that charity by force is not 
charity at all.  Social Darwinism was not all that big in the US.

> But socialism has other conceivable rationales.
>
> For instance, libertarians accept that shareholders in private
> corporations touch dividends, possibly very high dividends, even when
> they do absolutely nothing and certainly cannot be counted as A-type
> individuals in Ayn Rand's sense.

This shows no understanding of investing or of what Rand actually said 
either.   Go ahead and pick a bunch of companies at random on the basis 
of their dividends and see how much money you make over time.

>   Now in the example of the
> conglomerate becoming a political community and a State for all
> practical purposes, why shouldn't they continue to do so? And if this
> is the case, why existing States should not pay citizenship dividends,
> in cash or in nature, to their members?

Since you think it is all causeless manna flow then why not.  Please let 
us know how that works out for you.    Note the countries around the 
world in serious trouble simply because they did promise more than could 
possibly be delivered.

- samantha