[ExI] seamless uploading

natasha at natasha.cc natasha at natasha.cc
Thu Jul 14 18:38:29 UTC 2011


Quoting Giulio Prisco <giulio at gmail.com>:

> I have always thought "slow" uploading via implants / BCI is one of
> the most promising paths to uploading.

This brings us back home to to von Foerster and the Biological  
Computer Lab.  Nice.


>
> On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 4:00 AM, Jeff Davis <jrd1415 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Extropes,
>>
>> I want to apologize if this post here is a case of "Well, duh!".  You
>> know, obvious to all except me, and I'm just catching up now.
>>
>> I was reading this piece from Brian Wang's Blog, Next Big Future:
>>
>> How long until there is a significantly independent robot economy and
>> how quickly could computer brain interfaces improve ?
>>
>> http://nextbigfuture.com/2011/07/how-long-until-there-is-significantly.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+blogspot%2Fadvancednano+%28nextbigfuture%29&utm_content=Yahoo!+Mail
>>
>> Focusing on the brain interface aspect, Brian provides the following:
>>
>> Kyle [Munkittrick] recently made the case for a Cybernetic Singularity
>>
>> http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/sciencenotfiction/2011/06/25/towards-a-new-vision-of-the-singularity/
>>
>>    "The Singularity should be re-imagined as a cybernetic process in
>> which the human mind is progressively augmented with better and more
>> complimentary artificial left-brain capacities. The Singularity will
>> be the perfection of the mind-computer interface, such that where the
>> mental processes of the human right-brain ends and the high-powered
>> computer left-brain ends will be indistinguishable both externally by
>> objective observation and internally by the subjective experience of
>> the individual. I call this event the Cybernetic Singularity."
>>
>> Then Brian continues:
>>
>> "If we get enough memory and a high traffic wetbrain to computer brain
>> connection so that there is a shared consciousness from the wetbrain
>> with the added part. Then over days/months and years there is
>> consciousness over both parts. Memory and visual stimuli spanning both
>> systems and we can ensure thorough copying and duplication."
>>
>> [Here I paraphrase Brian's text]:  If then you suffer a "shutoff"(as
>> used below) of the wetbrain, consciousness and identity continue, and
>> you achieve a full and seamless upload (ie transfer of consciousness).
>>
>> "By being able to have consciousness span current brain and new brain
>> for a sufficient period of time and having real time consciousness
>> operating throughout the upload and eventual shutoff there would be
>> less issue over is consciousness preserved."
>>
>>
>> **********************************************
>>
>> The article and its links provide a wealth of info showing just how
>> far along this process has advanced.
>>
>> Over the years the list has hashed and rehashed -- delightfully -- the
>> upload and its related identity issue(s).  Brain scanning of the
>> biological self followed by transfer into an alternative substrate --
>> "cloned" or manufactured biological, android cybernetic, or pure boxed
>> computronium.  This is the first time I have encountered an upload
>> scenario that feels like a real world real tech roadmap.  Persuasively
>> achievable.
>>
>> Reminiscent of a short-story fragment posted to the list In 98 or 99
>> by Anders, about a cybernetically "connected" individual who
>> experiences a sense of severe intellectual deficit when his machine
>> connection goes down.  That was however a case of computer brain
>> crash, rather than wet brain "retirement".
>>
>> Over the years I have repeatedly expressed my utter delight at living
>> in and witnessing this juggernaut of science and technology.  Not just
>> reading and dreaming about what might be possible, but actually
>> watching the wonders of imagination tumble forth into reality.  Each
>> time, I thought to myself that the pace would remain more or less the
>> same, and that I could handle it, could absorb it.  By which I mean
>> superficially, to be sure.  Now things are coming at me so fast I
>> can't keep up, not even superficially.
>>
>> Anyone else feel similar?  What about you younger folks (I'm
>> sixty-two, now.  How the hell did that happen?! I don't feel
>> sixty-two)? Do you feel more in synch, more in control?
>>
>> Best, Jeff Davis
>>
>>  "My guess is that people don't yet realize how
>>     "handy" an indefinite lifespan will be."
>>                       J Corbally
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