[ExI] META: Overposting (psychology of morals)

Samantha Atkins sjatkins at mac.com
Mon Mar 7 19:25:44 UTC 2011

On 03/04/2011 05:30 PM, Jeff Davis wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 8:06 PM, Rafal Smigrodzki
> <rafal.smigrodzki at gmail.com>  wrote:
>> ### Jeez, Bill, what do you really know about us?
> There's something about libertarianism that makes it quite appealing
> to a broad spectrum of folks.  So broad in fact that contradictions
> pop up.  How can Jerry Brown and William Safire both be libertarians?
> Jerry brown has called himself a libertarian socialist (which can't
> help but make other libertarians seriously queasy).

That is utter nonsense and any creature that utters such a combination 
should never be trusted to speak honestly again.

>   Can you even
> imagine "libertarian" as a modifier for socialist?

Nope. Not with any rational remotely accurate understanding of either term.
>    Libertarian often
> feels like a warm and edgy default label when all other
> self-identifiers are unsatisfactory.
> So who are "us", really?

Short answer: Start with NAP.  If you can't justify it under NAP then it 
is not libertarian.

> What degree of self-knowledge and intent is required to convert spin
> into fraud?
>   In the matter of "initiation of force", when do you "start the
> clock"?   Can the native Americans go on the warpath and claim
> libertarian justification?

Ancient history has nothing to do with the principle.  And no, they 
can't attack people today based on wrongs by and toward remote 
ancestors.   Self-defence cannot justify such.

- samantha

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