[ExI] META: Overposting (psychology of morals)
sjatkins at mac.com
Mon Mar 7 19:25:44 UTC 2011
On 03/04/2011 05:30 PM, Jeff Davis wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 8:06 PM, Rafal Smigrodzki
> <rafal.smigrodzki at gmail.com> wrote:
>> ### Jeez, Bill, what do you really know about us?
> There's something about libertarianism that makes it quite appealing
> to a broad spectrum of folks. So broad in fact that contradictions
> pop up. How can Jerry Brown and William Safire both be libertarians?
> Jerry brown has called himself a libertarian socialist (which can't
> help but make other libertarians seriously queasy).
That is utter nonsense and any creature that utters such a combination
should never be trusted to speak honestly again.
> Can you even
> imagine "libertarian" as a modifier for socialist?
Nope. Not with any rational remotely accurate understanding of either term.
> Libertarian often
> feels like a warm and edgy default label when all other
> self-identifiers are unsatisfactory.
> So who are "us", really?
Short answer: Start with NAP. If you can't justify it under NAP then it
is not libertarian.
> What degree of self-knowledge and intent is required to convert spin
> into fraud?
> In the matter of "initiation of force", when do you "start the
> clock"? Can the native Americans go on the warpath and claim
> libertarian justification?
Ancient history has nothing to do with the principle. And no, they
can't attack people today based on wrongs by and toward remote
ancestors. Self-defence cannot justify such.
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